Need some new brakes [Archive]

Chemwarrior

01-30-2009, 10:14 AM

I started getting the flickering hand brake dash light today and after doing some research it looks like the cause is either low brake fluid or it's time for some new brakes. I have noticed that I am getting more brake squeal so I might as well get some new brakes. After all I have ~37k miles on the odometer. I don't need anything that is track rated and would prefer pads that have better than OEM bite and less than OEM brake dust. Let's hear your suggestions.

Here are the pads I am looking at:

Hawk HPS
Axxis Deluxe or Ultimate
Girodisc Magic Pads
Autozone Duralast Gold Cmax

Is it also worth getting the Goodridge stainless lines?

manchi

01-30-2009, 11:38 AM

Autozone pads are bad... Hawks and axxis will generate lots dusts...

Chemwarrior

01-30-2009, 11:49 AM

Autozone pads are bad... Hawks and axxis will generate lots dusts...

Can you be more specific? This is actually contrary to what I have read on evom.

Hikaru

01-30-2009, 12:03 PM

I think more bite and less break dust is kinda contradictory no? I may be wrong. I've read a lot of threads on brake pads and the consensus I got was the ferodo ds2500 was the replacement pad to have. I've never used em though so I can't speak first hand...

bomjoon

01-30-2009, 12:10 PM

Chemwarrior

01-30-2009, 12:37 PM

i run ferodos...

hawks are ok but they fade quick when you track or mt run it.

axxis ... from what i hear they doint produce lots of dust and do ok under heat...
but i dont know have not tried them.

im gonna try the performance friction pads next... they is suposed to be as close as track pads you canget w/o actually getting track pads. and dont need pre heat to get them to work.

if you are gonna daily drive them and dont want too much dust try like EBC stuff...

but then why did you buy an evo when you gonna DD it?

There is nothing wrong with buying an Evo and using it as a daily driver. It is a personal preference to what an owner does with their vehicle. As far as the EBC, I don't believe they offer better performance than the OEM Brembos. Thanks for your input.

bomjoon

01-30-2009, 12:41 PM

i guess... its your $$

to me its like you paid for a performance car. dont put anything shitty on the car to downgrade the car.

its like people getting tires that have high tread wear rating.

but seriously its hard to beat the ferodos ds2500.

they last a good bit too with lots of abuse.

Chemwarrior

01-30-2009, 12:44 PM

While the Evo is a great car, it is still a four door saloon that is made by Mitsubishi. I'm not trying to put anything shitty on my car to downgrade it. That's why I was asking for comparable or better than OEM pads.

bomjoon

01-30-2009, 12:57 PM

go hawks or ferodos... ferodos wil cost about $80 more

but will be better...

axxis is good from what ive been hearing... and its cheap.

manchi

01-30-2009, 02:03 PM

Can you be more specific? This is actually contrary to what I have read on evom.

I've not tried the Hawk or Axxis on Evo yet, but from my previous experience for other models, HAWK will squeal after a while. Axxis does not provide a good stopping power as HAWK (less dust too). Autozone... they are not even better than stock. I'd not recommended on Ferodos unless the car is on the track. I think everyone has a budget on what they wanted to spend on, it's all about personal perference.

Evo is a great performance car, but not everyone will put it on track. Evo was designed to be a performance rally car and I don't think many people actually bring it to rally track...

bomjoon

01-30-2009, 03:17 PM

ferodo is great for DD and track.

i want mine to sqeal like a lil girl when i press on the pedal...

my ferodos dont squeal enough.

when it squeals i know my breaks work and it calms me down.

TripperFx3

01-30-2009, 04:53 PM

Axxis Ultimates are the shit!!! They do dust a lot though, but for the money they can't be beat and they last a while. Last mtn run I did in GA the subie guys were having break fade and I was still doing just fine. I currently have the Girodisc Magic pads and they are a good DD pad and have good initial bite, but I'm not sure how they would do under a mtn run or something like that.

bomjoon

01-30-2009, 04:59 PM

may be you werent driving it like you should.

shunderwunder

01-30-2009, 05:30 PM

I'll agree that you probrobly aren't going to find a pad that works as well or better than the stock pads & get less brake dust. I had the Ferodo DS2500 on for a while & liked them alot. It took alot of hard driving on the track to get them to start fading & they were great on the street as well. I smoked the fronts after a couple track days & replaced them with Hawks to have a cheap pad till I needed better pads for another event. I will have to say I'm not very happy with the Hawks. They don't stop nearly as well as the Ferodos & I don't think they even stop as well as the stock pads. I cant remembe which Hawks I got, but they were the ones reccomended for DD. I will replace these with the Ferodo DS2500 when the time comes & probrobly get some Carbotechs fro track duty.

TripperFx3

01-30-2009, 07:04 PM

Your probably thinking of the Hawk HPS's. I've heard they were actually better than stock.

Forgot to mention that the Magic's have little to no brake dust.

shunderwunder

01-30-2009, 07:49 PM

Oh yeah & I forgot about the SS lines you mentioned. If you are not doing a lot of hard braking you wont need them. Stock brake lines should be fine for lightly spirited DD duty.

Chemwarrior

01-30-2009, 08:02 PM

I have decided to get the Hawk HPS for both the front and back.

jktripp

01-30-2009, 08:33 PM

i have the hawk pads front and back and i like them.

em1toevo

02-03-2009, 01:31 PM

I really like my Hawk HPS pads. They are great for a daily driven Evo.

Chemwarrior

02-03-2009, 02:27 PM

I really like my Hawk HPS pads. They are great for a daily driven Evo.

That's the same thing I have read from other people and that is why I bought them. I should have them tomorrow and I will put them in this weekend when I drive up to my house.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

02-03-2009, 02:43 PM

Should have gone with the Forodo's.

Chemwarrior

02-03-2009, 02:47 PM

Should have gone with the Forodo's.

If you meant Ferodos :D then they are more for track use.

em1toevo

02-03-2009, 03:01 PM

Well if money isn't an option, there really isn't any comparison between the Ferodos and the Hawks. Ferodos FTMFW!!

shunderwunder

02-03-2009, 08:10 PM

If you meant Ferodos :D then they are more for track use.

Kinda, but my next street pads will be Ferodo DS2500's & I'll be using Carbotechs for the track. Just was not impressed by the hawks. The Ferodos do well on the street, but not quite agressive enough for hard track driving.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

02-04-2009, 09:54 AM

If you meant Ferodos :D then they are more for track use.

Once again you just proved your lack of intelligence :rolleyes: DS2500s are NOT a track pad. They can be used at the track better than a Hawk HPS or Axxis , but are designed for the street. No serious track car would have DS2500s on the car. DS3000's are more of a track pad, but still will most likely only be used by mild track setups. A real track pad is something like a highend Carbotech or Performance Friction. These are the type you have to warm up and cool down.

Hikaru

02-04-2009, 10:56 AM

If you meant Ferodos :D then they are more for track use.

see man....you do it too. regardless of the misspelling we all new what he was talking about. no need to correct him...but we all poke sometimes...

TouringBubble

02-04-2009, 11:34 AM

Alrighty ... I'm in the market for pads too. I do mainly street and autocross and very limited track use, if any. I'm looking at the Ferodos, but has anyone tried the Project Mu Level Max 900s?

Project Mu, Japan’s premier Brake Performance manufacturer, is proud to release their new LEVEL MAX900 high performance brake pad for Street Sports and Circuit use. Designed to replace and outperform the popular HC Titan Kai brake pad, the Level Max900 features a higher friction coefficient and higher rotor temperature treatment up to 900 deg. Celsius! Manufactured from a special carbon metal compound, a highly advanced brake compound has been achieved with the Level Max900. Project Mu is tirelessly working with racing teams collecting data to improve braking performance to meet all of the needs of car enthusiasts today. The result is a superior brake pad that provides greater vehicle control and excellent stopping power for high output tuner cars.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

02-04-2009, 12:28 PM

I have not tried those yet. I personally love the Ferodo's. I have heard very few reviews of their products.

TouringBubble

02-04-2009, 12:40 PM

I've been researching and it seems that the Level Max pads are pretty aggressive for the street, loud and wear rotors really bad. The DS2500 might be a better choice for me.

shunderwunder

02-04-2009, 01:48 PM

Ds2500 Ftw

BlewByYouEvoVIII

02-04-2009, 02:26 PM

DS2500s are the best street pad available in my opinion. This comes from someone who has tested several different pads.

TouringBubble

02-04-2009, 03:19 PM

Well, don't need a street pad ... I need an autocross pad that isn't completely useless on the street. Kind of like the RT615 of brake pads. Sounds like both the Ferodo or the Mu would work, with the Mu being a little more aggressive.

Chemwarrior

02-04-2009, 03:59 PM

Once again you just proved your lack of intelligence :rolleyes: DS2500s are NOT a track pad. They can be used at the track better than a Hawk HPS or Axxis , but are designed for the street. No serious track car would have DS2500s on the car. DS3000's are more of a track pad, but still will most likely only be used by mild track setups. A real track pad is something like a highend Carbotech or Performance Friction. These are the type you have to warm up and cool down.

Did I say that they are specifically a track pad? NO!! I said they were more for track use when I was comparing them to the Hawk HPS. Here are several excerpts describing them.

"Ferodo EVO "Fast Road" DS2500 compound pads are direct replacements for your Brembo stock pads. These pads are designed for the more aggressive driver who likes to track race, auto cross, and head fast into turns."

http://evomoto.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=467&osCsid=d575552d6866c1a911d21073392c23d1

http://www.lancershop.com/customer/product.php?productid=603&cat=95&page=1

"Ferodo DS2500 is a club race pad that can be used on the street and for light track use."

http://www.201motorsports.com/product.php?productid=1610&cat=37&page=1

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/ferodo-ds2500-front-brake-pads-mitsubishi-evo-viiiix-0307-p-563.html

The Hawk HPS is more for street use, which is what I was looking for. "HPS - High Performance Street disc brake pads are world renowned for increasing stopping power on your street legal vehicle. Increasing the performance of your vehicles braking system is easy when you choose Hawk Performance’s HPS braking compound. This unique Ferro-Carbon formula was developed for street performance using the safety and quality of Aerospace and Motorsports severe-duty friction technology."

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/hawk-hps-front-brake-pads-mitsubishi-evo-viii-0204-p-7776.html

shunderwunder

02-04-2009, 04:41 PM

Not trying to stir the shit, but the Hawks don't seem to work as well as the stock Brembos to me. On the other hand I do drive my car pretty hard on the street at times.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

02-04-2009, 05:00 PM

Did I say that they are specifically a track pad? NO!! I said they were more for track use when I was comparing them to the Hawk HPS. Here are several excerpts describing them.

"Ferodo EVO "Fast Road" DS2500 compound pads are direct replacements for your Brembo stock pads. These pads are designed for the more aggressive driver who likes to track race, auto cross, and head fast into turns."

http://evomoto.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=467&osCsid=d575552d6866c1a911d21073392c23d1

http://www.lancershop.com/customer/product.php?productid=603&cat=95&page=1

"Ferodo DS2500 is a club race pad that can be used on the street and for light track use."

http://www.201motorsports.com/product.php?productid=1610&cat=37&page=1

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/ferodo-ds2500-front-brake-pads-mitsubishi-evo-viiiix-0307-p-563.html

The Hawk HPS is more for street use, which is what I was looking for. "HPS - High Performance Street disc brake pads are world renowned for increasing stopping power on your street legal vehicle. Increasing the performance of your vehicles braking system is easy when you choose Hawk Performance’s HPS braking compound. This unique Ferro-Carbon formula was developed for street performance using the safety and quality of Aerospace and Motorsports severe-duty friction technology."

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/hawk-hps-front-brake-pads-mitsubishi-evo-viii-0204-p-7776.html

I really hate to keep doing this to you Dan but you leave me no choice. How do you interpret "fast road" and "light track use" into "more for the track"? How many people do you know who say "I use hawk pads for the street and when I really wanna kick some ass at the track I put on my Ferodo DS2500s"?

I would also like to add that your putting the opinion of various parts vendors ahead of people on this forum who have first hand experience with these pads. Most vendors will tell you almost anything you want to hear if they think they will get a sale out of it, believe me I work with them everyday. Your putting an online sale ahead of guys who have real experience with these. Does that make alot of sense?

Chemwarrior

02-04-2009, 05:44 PM

I really hate to keep doing this to you Dan but you leave me no choice. How do you interpret "fast road" and "light track use" into "more for the track"? How many people do you know who say "I use hawk pads for the street and when I really wanna kick some ass at the track I put on my Ferodo DS2500s"?

I would also like to add that your putting the opinion of various parts vendors ahead of people on this forum who have first hand experience with these pads. Most vendors will tell you almost anything you want to hear if they think they will get a sale out of it, believe me I work with them everyday. Your putting an online sale ahead of guys who have real experience with these. Does that make alot of sense?

I don't understand how you don't interpret that Ferodos are more for track use when they are advertised as "light track use" as well as "track race, autocross". I specifically asked for pads that were for street use, which the HPS (Hawk Performance "Street") are made for.

I completely understand about a vendor having their own agenda but these descriptions are also on the manufacturer's website. Here is the description of the DS2500 direct from Ferodo's website: "Combined with low wheel dusting and good noise characteristics, this product is the brake pad for the driver who needs the highest track-day braking performance." While I do somewhat take into account personal experiences I also put the manufacturer's claims into the equation. Not to mention I also did research on Evom where personal experiences from many users confirmed what I thought.

This is all moot anyway because I have already purchased and received the Hawk HPS pads.

Chemwarrior

02-08-2009, 07:41 PM

I installed the Hawk HPS pads yesterday with the assistance of my 17 year old son and I have to say that I like these pads. Their bite is just as good as the OEM Brembos. Removing the old pads was very easy. Push the two pins out, remove the old pads, push the pistons in, grease the new pads, and then insert. It's just that easy. This was also my son's first experience with getting his hands dirty due to working on a car. I thought it was time for him to start learning about car maintenance since he will be getting his driver's license soon. Call it one of those father-son bonding moments.

em1toevo

02-08-2009, 09:55 PM

I can't wait to have my son be old enough to help me with the car. He does a decent job of handing me tools right now;)

jktripp

02-08-2009, 10:28 PM

glad you like your choice dan. what a cool car for your son to start wrenching on......

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 01:29 AM

I agree with Tripp, Dan. I know I'm only 23, but I'm really looking forward to having a son I can teach to wrench on cars. If hes not into cars then I'm putting him up for adoption...

jktripp

02-09-2009, 01:31 AM

did you mean abortion or adoption?.....:eek:

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 05:01 AM

lol Adoption! Unless I can tell he's born with a wrench in his hand there's no way I'll know he's into cars until he gets older!

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 10:52 AM

I agree with Tripp, Dan. I know I'm only 23, but I'm really looking forward to having a son I can teach to wrench on cars. If hes not into cars then I'm putting him up for adoption...

This last comment had me laughing. :D My son is a serious gamer/nerd so getting him to help me with the car can be an exercise in futility sometimes. But since he is getting his driver's license this week I thought it was time to start teaching him some basic mechanical maintenance procedures. My 14 year old daughter has already learned how to change the oil. These are life lessons that need to be taught to your children.

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 12:08 PM

lol Glad you liked it Dan! Thats awesome about your daughter though! Since she seems to be more interested in cars your going to have to watch those leg humpers when she grows up... lol jk man

TouringBubble

02-09-2009, 12:17 PM

This last comment had me laughing. :D My son is a serious gamer/nerd so getting him to help me with the car can be an exercise in futility sometimes.

I'm a gamer/nerd too ... all is not lost!

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 01:04 PM

lol Glad you liked it Dan! Thats awesome about your daughter though! Since she seems to be more interested in cars your going to have to watch those leg humpers when she grows up... lol jk man

She is a stunner too so believe me when I say that I have my shotgun out whenever a gentleman caller comes around.

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 01:05 PM

I'm a gamer/nerd too ... all is not lost!

It's good to see that. :D I'm trying to teach them that is alright to get your hands dirty.

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 04:33 PM

I think it's safe to say most of us are a little nerdy since we all chat with each other on an online forum. :) Now it's time to teach the both of them how to replace a clutch & flywheel. ;)

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 05:19 PM

I think it's safe to say most of us are a little nerdy since we all chat with each other on an online forum. :) Now it's time to teach the both of them how to replace a clutch & flywheel. ;)

Point taken. Speaking of, I just ordered my clutch & flywheel.

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 06:34 PM

It's a fun project.
It's alot easier if you get this pesky contraption out of the way.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/100_6447.jpg

manchi

02-09-2009, 06:42 PM

I'm definitely not looking forward for my clutch replacement. lol

TouringBubble

02-09-2009, 07:02 PM

It's good to see that. :D I'm trying to teach them that is alright to get your hands dirty.

Give it time ... when I was 16 I knew nothing about cars. At 18 I started to learn. At 20 I knew how to fix something but not much about diagnosis and wouldn't turn a wrench myself. At 22 I was doing timing belts and clutch jobs ... complete 180 in 6 years. It can happen.

Shunder, you replacing that mount while the subframe is out?

(And nice chicken strips ... =P)

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 07:11 PM

I also didn't start turning a wrench on my cars until age 19. It's amazing what a Haynes or Chilton manual and some initiative can fix. I remember my first brake pad exchange. It took me three hours just to do one set of pads. Now I do all four sets in less than 45 minutes. I just wish that I had somebody show me at a young age all the typical maintenance procedures. It actually pains me to have to pay somebody else to wrench on my cars now.

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 07:16 PM

Give it time ... when I was 16 I knew nothing about cars. At 18 I started to learn. At 20 I knew how to fix something but not much about diagnosis and wouldn't turn a wrench myself. At 22 I was doing timing belts and clutch jobs ... complete 180 in 6 years. It can happen.

Shunder, you replacing that mount while the subframe is out?

(And nice chicken strips ... =P)

I had already replaced the lower mount, but I did take the oportunity to swap in a Whiteline steering precision kit while it was out.

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 07:17 PM

And whats the deal with the chicken strips? Not sure where you were going with that one.

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 08:01 PM

WTF Chicken Strips lol? Did I miss something?

Dan thats great bud! I'd be doing the same thing if I had a daughter. I'm sure your going to scare the shit out of any guy she ever dates... I know both my ex's Dad's scared the shit out of me and they were both in the military. One of who's dad was only 5'5", but he was an intimidating little fucker!!! I'm also a huge game nerd. I mean I have all 3 next gen systems and normally beat games in 3-5 days and still wrench on cars and do HW, so all is not lost with your son.

jktripp

02-09-2009, 08:30 PM

so... what are chicken stripes??

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 08:36 PM

Atleast I'm not the only one that didn't get the chicken strips thing.

Chemwarrior

02-09-2009, 08:44 PM

Yeah Touring, inquiring minds want to know? What did you mean by chicken strips?

Evolvedgti

02-09-2009, 08:52 PM

Chicken strips are normally referred to motorcycles. its the stripe down the middle of the tire, because the rider is too "chicken" to lean therefore not using the entire tire.

jktripp

02-09-2009, 08:58 PM

oh........... ****crickets churping*****......... oh...........

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 09:04 PM

lol Funny you say that because I had a friend who was rather large and was afraid to lean when he 1st got his bike for fear his fat would shift and throw him off, so his center tread was bald... lol

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 09:23 PM

HA HA. Thats pretty funn I'll have to tell him that. Its my brothers R1. He bought it brand new last December. We rode dirt bikes when we were younger & he always wanted sport bike. I'm kinda glad he hasn't been over doing it. I don't think an R1 is the best choice for a first street bike, but he has done well with not getting himself into trouble with it. I just hope he keeps it that way. Speed is addictive & he has gotten more comfortable on it.

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 09:33 PM

At least he's ridden before. I had a buddy tell me that it doesn't matter how powerful your 1st bike is because if your responsible it's just as easy to learn on a 1000cc as it would be a 600cc. Having never driven a bike I can't comment on it, but I do plan on getting a bike and I'm going to be starting with a 600cc for damn sure!

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 09:40 PM

TripperFx3

02-09-2009, 09:44 PM

I've heard people reccomend starting small, but his logic was that if you ride within your limits it wont matter & once you've got the hang of it you don't need to upgrade. He knew he was going to get an R1 eventually anyway, so why buy 2 bikes. Just be responsible & start out with what you want to have in the end.

Thats the logic my buddy was getting at I'm sure. I had another friend go from a YZF-600 to an R6 and was plenty happy with that, so I may just start out with something like an R6.

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 09:48 PM

FWIW I like to lean & use my entire tire. :D

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/dsc_0642.jpg

jktripp

02-09-2009, 09:55 PM

hell yeah.... nice pic. i got chicken stripes on my bike as well..... they are getting smaller, but they ar still there....

jktripp

02-09-2009, 09:56 PM

nice pic; referring to evo pic.....

shunderwunder

02-09-2009, 10:10 PM

Thanks, That's the pic that convinced me to black out my intercooler.

Hikaru

02-09-2009, 11:25 PM

Honda makes a great entry sportbike as well. I loved my F4i. I really miss it......... tear :(

TouringBubble

02-09-2009, 11:46 PM

FWIW I like to lean & use my entire tire. :D

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/dsc_0642.jpg

That's not leaning ... THIS is leaning ...

http://www.frameleft.com/evo/gallery/images/IMG_3666.jpg

:D

Sorry that I lost you on the chicken strips thing. You bro would probably get it. Honestly, street bikes should have strips as it would be crazy to get that much angle on the street. If the bike hasn't seen a track, it should have strips IMO.

And I was talking about the rear mount. I noticed the front had already been changed.