Looking at my first upgrade, air intake

[IronPalm]

When I was running my DSM, I hada good experienced with dejontool for intercooler piping, anyone ever use their pipes for the EVO? I'm thinking of going with an intake from them with a K&N FIPK....as soon as I decide what I will do with the BOV.

Input on the intake would be appreciated, and personal testimony preferred.

Thanks guys

[em1toevo]

Get a forge or IX metal bov. Both work great. As far as intake, i went with hks and love it. You can hear your stock bov much better-as with any intake. I have heard great things about the Buschur and Injen intakes too. Supposedly, there was a filtration test that proved that the Apexi intake was the best at air filtration.

[alg626]

on the Evo's cone filtered intakes have been known to hurt performance without an tune, your stock airbox is good up to 400hp so really no need to upgrade intake except for drop in air filter like K&N.

turbo back exhaust(25-30hp), boost controller(10hp per 1 psi),jdm BOV or forge and tune(15-25) will get u the most bang for buck, and in that order.

after those upgrades, lower intercooler pipe(5hp), o2 housing(5hp-10hp some say), cams(25-30 with tune) with or without cam gears, and a retune after the cams.
test have shown that the upper pipes don't gain any hp or even spool time really so no need on that yet,

then maybe header(5hp maybe), intercooler(5hp without turbo upgrade stock is actually good until upgraded turbo)with upper pipe, injectors, fuel pump. just a start

header, intercooler pipping and IC, exhaust all open the car up for better spool

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

on the Evo's cone filtered intakes have been known to hurt performance without an tune, your stock airbox is good up to 400hp so really no need to upgrade intake except for drop in air filter like K&N.

turbo back exhaust(25-30hp), boost controller(10hp per 1 psi),jdm BOV or forge and tune(15-25) will get u the most bang for buck, and in that order.

after those upgrades, lower intercooler pipe(5hp), o2 housing(5hp-10hp some say), cams(25-30 with tune) with or without cam gears, and a retune after the cams.
test have shown that the upper pipes don't gain any hp or even spool time really so no need on that yet,

then maybe header(5hp maybe), intercooler(5hp without turbo upgrade stock is actually good until upgraded turbo)with upper pipe, injectors, fuel pump. just a start

header, intercooler pipping and IC, exhaust all open the car up for better spool

Tune(15-25) :lol: are u serious? I picked up a hell of alot more than that, but as always it varies from car to car. I picked up 65whp from the tune alone. Xede may throw the P0300, but it gets alot more power. :D

If you are interested, I do have a used, good condition Injen Intake and UICP. Regardless of what Alan says :roll: tests have shown 20whp gains with, keep in mind this is considering that the car is tuned correctly, but these numbers to not include the tune gains, the intake and uicp with tune on ECUflash, etc. will give you around 35-45 if you use Alans numbers. My personal opinion would be to go with DP/TP/Exaust first, if you dont want your car to be loud then there are plenty of quiet exhausts out there aswell.

[alg626]

where are those text at Ryan, evom.net is full of what i said about little gains from uicp and intake, and that 65whp is that before cams went in and tune or after the cams and tune, cause didn't u get it all done at the same time, cams produce about 30hp and tunes can gain from 20-30hp without mods a tune on a stock car is only going to gain about that much thats why u tune after all the bolt-ons cause then u can gain the most,

the power from an tune with just an intake and uicp is from the igition and fuel adjustment ur really not gaining that much with just those 2 mods more from the tune
if u throw just those 2 things on there ur not going to gain anything maybe alittle quicker spool thats it

i don't see uicp picking up that much, the stock pipping is already pretty good size and that it has the flex joints in them that allow it to expand during boost, and probabley has some different bends, that takes away but thats about it, upgraded turbo then i can can justify upgrading or a good deal

and the numbers i put out, r the lower numbers, cars do act different
just a better place to start then intake, exhaust - mbc- tune- thats about 285whp on an 8 on a 9 is like 315-330

[TripperFx3]

^^^ Thats what most of the peoples dyno sheets on EvoM have said. It also depends on who tunes your car or who flashes it. But dont get an intake without a tune unless your Evo is an 05. Ive got the Apex'i intake... Not much to say about it, cept that its an intake... lol, but it does have the best filtration. Also, try not to VTA unless your running the HKS idle stablizer like Ryan. It will be a pain in the ass if you have to restart your car everytime you come to a stop :lol:.

[alg626]

yeah different tuners tune different some will run more aggressive tunes then others, my car has peak torque timing of 6degrees and redline at 13 i think, while tripp's peak torque timing is 8 and redline is16, just different styles and also different mods, and cars are different

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Alan, the 65 whp was before cams, i picked up an additional 30 from cams. And the difference in the tune is that you are flashed, im using a piggyback that was dyno tuned. Andrew at dyno4mance said if I wanted to go with a flash he could do it for me really cheap, but I would lose at least 15whp just from going from the Xede to ECUflash. Injen stuff is all dyno proven. I would not suggest going with any other UICP, the only reason I had it was because it was on the car when I bought it. Either way, Injen dyno tests all of their products before releasing numbers. Most of their products have dyno charts on their site, im not sure if the Evo one does or not, I never checked. I remember picking up 18whp from an intake with my RSX.... I was seriously speachless because I never thought I could pick up more than 3-5 with an intake. Back on topic, the gains are for the intake and the uicp, not just one or the other. THey are used together to produce those gains. I have not heard of anyone on evom who purchased the injen intake and uicp who thought it was a waste of money.

Just a side note, If I had done everything at the same time I would have picked up over 100whp over stock. I have done the majority of my upgrades in 2 different sessions, but not everything. I just see it more logical to do it in groups and save yourself the headache of retuning.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Here are the graphs from Injen

http://www.injen.com/galleries/products/11420070903IS1898_directions.pdf

Keep in mind, these graphs do not include a tune. It is obvious by the graphs that it is still untuned. Ask Ed if he noticed a difference before and after he installed his setup. He is running this setup as well. That is all, Thank you :lol:

[IronPalm]

on the Evo's cone filtered intakes have been known to hurt performance without an tune, your stock airbox is good up to 400hp so really no need to upgrade intake except for drop in air filter like K&N.

turbo back exhaust(25-30hp), boost controller(10hp per 1 psi),jdm BOV or forge and tune(15-25) will get u the most bang for buck, and in that order.

after those upgrades, lower intercooler pipe(5hp), o2 housing(5hp-10hp some say), cams(25-30 with tune) with or without cam gears, and a retune after the cams.
test have shown that the upper pipes don't gain any hp or even spool time really so no need on that yet,

then maybe header(5hp maybe), intercooler(5hp without turbo upgrade stock is actually good until upgraded turbo)with upper pipe, injectors, fuel pump. just a start

header, intercooler pipping and IC, exhaust all open the car up for better spool

Tune(15-25) :lol: are u serious? I picked up a hell of alot more than that, but as always it varies from car to car. I picked up 65whp from the tune alone. Xede may throw the P0300, but it gets alot more power. :D

If you are interested, I do have a used, good condition Injen Intake and UICP. Regardless of what Alan says :roll: tests have shown 20whp gains with, keep in mind this is considering that the car is tuned correctly, but these numbers to not include the tune gains, the intake and uicp with tune on ECUflash, etc. will give you around 35-45 if you use Alans numbers. My personal opinion would be to go with DP/TP/Exaust first, if you dont want your car to be loud then there are plenty of quiet exhausts out there aswell.
I had an RS-R in the garage waiting to be put in the GS-T that I never installed, it was kind of a sleeper, not an overly loud exhaust.

kinda paranoid abt getting too much attention with the exhaust as I am still on probationhttp://forums.doghouseboxing.com/style_emoticons/default/ninja.gif

[IronPalm]

on the Evo's cone filtered intakes have been known to hurt performance without an tune, your stock airbox is good up to 400hp so really no need to upgrade intake except for drop in air filter like K&N.

turbo back exhaust(25-30hp), boost controller(10hp per 1 psi),jdm BOV or forge and tune(15-25) will get u the most bang for buck, and in that order.

after those upgrades, lower intercooler pipe(5hp), o2 housing(5hp-10hp some say), cams(25-30 with tune) with or without cam gears, and a retune after the cams.
test have shown that the upper pipes don't gain any hp or even spool time really so no need on that yet,

then maybe header(5hp maybe), intercooler(5hp without turbo upgrade stock is actually good until upgraded turbo)with upper pipe, injectors, fuel pump. just a start

header, intercooler pipping and IC, exhaust all open the car up for better spool

Tune(15-25) :lol: are u serious? I picked up a hell of alot more than that, but as always it varies from car to car. I picked up 65whp from the tune alone. Xede may throw the P0300, but it gets alot more power. :D

If you are interested, I do have a used, good condition Injen Intake and UICP. Regardless of what Alan says :roll: tests have shown 20whp gains with, keep in mind this is considering that the car is tuned correctly, but these numbers to not include the tune gains, the intake and uicp with tune on ECUflash, etc. will give you around 35-45 if you use Alans numbers. My personal opinion would be to go with DP/TP/Exaust first, if you dont want your car to be loud then there are plenty of quiet exhausts out there aswell.
does your intake have the dump tube?

[alg626]

so where u tuned before cams also, then retuned after cams

what i'm getting at is that u had the bolt ons and a tune that gained 65whp, just not the tune by itself, the other mods also helped,

and i'm customed tuned not just an e-flash and its not a waste of money just theres better place to start ur modding, on evom.net u never see anyone really gain that much with just an intake and uicp without tune, if i came across one with a good deal i would buy an intake and uicp since i got about every other bolt, they just wouldn't be the first place i start

and if i gained 20whp with a intake and uicp then i'd be at the same horsepower or just alittle under(5-10hp) as u would without cams even though we have the same year model, which wouldn't be right since u have cams and i don't

and just another thing u think a company going to put a produce out that they say doesn't gain anything , we don't know how controlled those test were not saying they weren't but u never know

[mac_05evo]

Personally, I wouldn't spend the extra money on the intake as the stock one works really well. I'd put the money you're saving towards an exhaust. A good 3" exhaust is going to net you a lot more power than an intake. The path that ALG listed in one of his first posts is the same thing I'd do. Exhaust, stronger BOV, MBC, tune. Then if you still want more I'd do cams and a retune.

I had a AEM intake at one time and ended up removing it and going back with the stocker a long time ago. I actually made more power with the stock one, but it was probably attributed to the new tune.

Just curious, Ryan, what kind of power did you make on Andrew's dyno?

[alg626]

i think he made 347whp can't remember, dont know the torque

just looked at the graph's the 20whp gain is also with an 3" downpipe and exhaust the intake and uicp made only 12.7whp but did make 20 at peak

and all of it is without tune

thats weird cause when they added the exhaust parts it only made 7 more hp at peak

biggest gains i felt were the exhaust and tune

[TripperFx3]

I got good gains after the tune, but when i first uploaded my flash i didnt have my intake or DV put on, but was tuned for them. After i put the intake and DV on it really kicked in. It just needed that extra air flow to get it moving. But defiently hold off on the intake and save up for a TBE. Just be careful of what exhaust you by cause some of them taper to 2.5 inches. HKS i know does it. Best route would be to get a turboback from AMS, Perrin, or TurboXS.

[IronPalm]

So it seems that the majority here would tell me to skip the intake for now and go straight for a TBE. Gonna grab the K&N drop in...does Greddy still make the Airinx 2 drop in?

AS far as the TBE, Trying not to go Apex-i N1 loud, but want good gains nonetheless. Started my shopping on BOV's this morning, since I'm off.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

so where u tuned before cams also, then retuned after cams

what i'm getting at is that u had the bolt ons and a tune that gained 65whp, just not the tune by itself, the other mods also helped,

and i'm customed tuned not just an e-flash and its not a waste of money just theres better place to start ur modding, on evom.net u never see anyone really gain that much with just an intake and uicp without tune, if i came across one with a good deal i would buy an intake and uicp since i got about every other bolt, they just wouldn't be the first place i start

and if i gained 20whp with a intake and uicp then i'd be at the same horsepower or just alittle under(5-10hp) as u would without cams even though we have the same year model, which wouldn't be right since u have cams and i don't

and just another thing u think a company going to put a produce out that they say doesn't gain anything , we don't know how controlled those test were not saying they weren't but u never know


Jesus I cant believe I am having to explain this. During my 1st set of installs, we installed the downpipe, exhaust, and xede. I had my car dynoed at Topspeed before the install, dynotuned at Dyno4mance, and then dyno'd again at Topspeed. Overall I picked up 101.4 hp on Topspeeds Dyno, so you can devide that up however you want to. My car originally put low numbers down, so once again, draw your own damn conclusions.

Secondly, if you added the intake and uicp on your car now, no you would not pick up 20whp, and no you would not be close to my numbers. Anyone who knows anything about gaining power should know that modifications have deminishing returns. For those of you who do not understand this, say a company quotes 20whp for their intake and uicp, but somewhere else claims 20hp for their downpipe and exhaust. This is not going to give you a 40hp gain. The numbers claimed are usually tested on a stock car with no other mods. Thus, working together they may make 27hp gains.

In addition to this, I did not look to see if Injen's dp and exhaust were a full 3 inches. My guess would be no. If it is not, this would once again answer for the lower hp numbers. At no point did I say the intake and uicp would give you 20whp on a heavily or moderately modded Evo. The title of this thread is 1st mod, not 10th. I really dont see this as being hard to understand. Let me know if you need more clarification.

[IronPalm]

Jesus I cant believe I am having to explain this. During my 1st set of installs, we installed the downpipe, exhaust, and xede. I had my car dynoed at Topspeed before the install, dynotuned at Dyno4mance, and then dyno'd again at Topspeed. Overall I picked up 101.4 hp on Topspeeds Dyno, so you can devide that up however you want to. My car originally put low numbers down, so once again, draw your own damn conclusions.

Secondly, if you added the intake and uicp on your car now, no you would not pick up 20whp, and no you would not be close to my numbers. Anyone who knows anything about gaining power should know that modifications have deminishing returns. For those of you who do not understand this, say a company quotes 20whp for their intake and uicp, but somewhere else claims 20hp for their downpipe and exhaust. This is not going to give you a 40hp gain. The numbers claimed are usually tested on a stock car with no other mods. Thus, working together they may make 27hp gains.

In addition to this, I did not look to see if Injen's dp and exhaust were a full 3 inches. My guess would be no. If it is not, this would once again answer for the lower hp numbers. At no point did I say the intake and uicp would give you 20whp on a heavily or moderately modded Evo. The title of this thread is 1st mod, not 10th. I really dont see this as being hard to understand. Let me know if you need more clarification.
:shock: :| :| :P

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

i think he made 347whp can't remember, dont know the torque

just looked at the graph's the 20whp gain is also with an 3" downpipe and exhaust the intake and uicp made only 12.7whp but did make 20 at peak

and all of it is without tune

thats weird cause when they added the exhaust parts it only made 7 more hp at peak

biggest gains i felt were the exhaust and tune

Intake UICP downpipe and exhaust are not going to give you much more hp unless it is tuned. Seriously, why do you think it is advised to get a retune after getting intake and UICP?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Upon going back and looking at the Injen page, the dp and exhaust are infact 3inches. In addition to this they claim 27.9 whp gains with the exhaust dp intake and uicp. Once again, untuned. These are good, realistic gains, as I stated before , just because your told 20 hp for exhaust and dp, and 20 for intake and uicp doesnt mean you are getting 40 or anywhere around there. The tests are over stock settings. With that in mind, I am no longer running the Injen products on my car, I am running an HKS setup. I hope this doesnt confuse you, but the HKS I believe makes less power then the Injen stuff (I believe) so my numbers as of now quite possibly could be higher if I was still running the Injen setup, but it just wasnt the path I wanted to take.

[alg626]

[/quote]Jesus I cant believe I am having to explain this. During my 1st set of installs, we installed the downpipe, exhaust, and xede. I had my car dynoed at Topspeed before the install, dynotuned at Dyno4mance, and then dyno'd again at Topspeed. Overall I picked up 101.4 hp on Topspeeds Dyno, so you can devide that up however you want to. My car originally put low numbers down, so once again, draw your own damn conclusions.

Secondly, if you added the intake and uicp on your car now, no you would not pick up 20whp, and no you would not be close to my numbers. Anyone who knows anything about gaining power should know that modifications have deminishing returns. For those of you who do not understand this, say a company quotes 20whp for their intake and uicp, but somewhere else claims 20hp for their downpipe and exhaust. This is not going to give you a 40hp gain. The numbers claimed are usually tested on a stock car with no other mods. Thus, working together they may make 27hp gains.


In addition to this, I did not look to see if Injen's dp and exhaust were a full 3 inches. My guess would be no. If it is not, this would once again answer for the lower hp numbers. At no point did I say the intake and uicp would give you 20whp on a heavily or moderately modded Evo. The title of this thread is 1st mod, not 10th. I really dont see this as being hard to understand. Let me know if you need more clarification.[/quote]


what i was saying was u gained 65whp or so the first install then with cams and retune u gained the the additiion power 40whp or so, which was inline witht the numbers i was saying at the beginning, which i thought u were disagreing with.

and i do understand all of that, didn't know if u knew that also
this wasn't an attack on anyone Ryan and i wasn't trying to conduct it like it was suppose to be, and no one was attacking your car so why act like that Sorry i really didn't mean to start anything,

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Sorry, didnt mean to take it out on you, Ive had a stressful week. The only reason I didnt think you knew that was because you said if you installed the intake and uicp that you would pick up 20 and be close to my numers, which is incorrect. I think you are still a bit off on my numbers though. I originally dynoed at 214whp at Topspeed (very low I agree) after install and tuning 1 (still no cams) hit 315whp (101hp gain) after install 2 (including cams) I hit 341whp, which in my opinion was alot lower then I had hoped for.

So I gained 101 the 1st install, and 36 the 2nd install.

3rd install will be mid summer, I hope to hit 425 at the least, this includes a turbo upgrade.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

BTW, you need to learn how to quote :lol:

[IronPalm]

yeah the post felt a little "deja vu"-ish

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

yeah the post felt a little "deja vu"-ish

[alg626]

man did u have a boost leak or something the first time on the dyno,
and cars do react different to mods


but its cool man, i understand stressful days, lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

actually thats exactly what we thought, i took it back to topspeed the next day to do compression tests and boost leak tests. Both tests showed no signs of leaking. They proceeded to change the spark plugs. Still no difference in the numbers. We were guessing it was something wrong with the exhaust because when I put 214 down, mods were Intake, UICP, and the downpipe. As soon as we replaced the exhaust at dyno4mance I made 250, 36whp gain from exhaust alone= problem with stock exhaust. Anyways, the only other thing we did that day was the Xede and tune, picked up an additional 65hp. Going from 214 to 315 in 1 day is quite fun if you ask me, felt like a different car. BTW Alan, u gonna be able to make it tonite?

[alg626]

no man got youth group tonight(twice a month), but i'm planning to go to brett's house next weekend, hey if ya'll do anything tomorrow night let me now i could make that, try to give me a 2 hour notice, lol, i live almost an hour away

[IronPalm]

yeah the post felt a little "deja vu"-ish
:lol:

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

thought you might like that lol

[mac_05evo]

Just curious, Ryan, what kind of power did you make on Andrew's dyno?

... ??

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

298

[mac_05evo]

Is that with the HKS intercooler and everything that is on your car now?

[TripperFx3]

No. He made 248 with cams, intercooler, etc.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Is that with the HKS intercooler and everything that is on your car now?

ya that is with everything, I have an 03 so I have the 9.8 hotside, I was hoping for higher numbers but Andrew said with that smaller hotside there was no way I would get much more out of it. I am upgrading the turbo and hotside along with the o2housing this summer. If I have enough money left over I may do meth too. I hope to hit 375ish on Andrews dyno with those mods. He said thats around what I should expect.

[TripperFx3]

Oh yea... Sorry about that Ryan. I forgot that Andrews dyno read low.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ya it reads 15% below an avg dynojet. dynojet is what most people go by for "real" hp/tq or w/e.


I was up at Dyno4mance the other day and spoke to Andrew about becoming a vendor for our site, he agreed, so maybe I can get something worked out for a dynoday sometime over the summer.

[YSLBTT]

hell yeah. andrews the man. i had him do my service. he was planning to go home, but since i was having problems with my bov, he explained to me everything and took my bov apart to try to fix it...

also, i was going to install my o2 housing, he straight up told me, ill be more than happy to take your money and install the o2 housing, but i dont see any real gains for it. it will take us about 2 hours to get it done. its not worth that 5-10 whp if that.

i was real impressed. anyone wouldve jumped in and done it.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ya, Andrew is really honest, which is why I take my car to him. He will tell you straight up whether or not he thinks you should do something, regardless of whether it benefits him or not. It usually is good to do that install the same time you upgrade the turbo. Are you just gonna wait that long or try and sell it or what? Whats your next mod anyways?

[YSLBTT]

keeping it until the turbo. next mod, car cover. lol.

then im probably gonna save for cams/cam gears/turbo/injectors/head studs.

do it all at once. so its gonna be a while until i can mod my car agian.

[em1toevo]

Does it really take 2 hours to install an O2 housing? I imagined it was pretty straight forward. Hmmm.... must be more to it than I thought.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ya, i know that feeling. what brand injectors you getting? im trying to decide who to buy mine from.

[YSLBTT]

Does it really take 2 hours to install an O2 housing? I imagined it was pretty straight forward. Hmmm.... must be more to it than I thought.

it takes a good while. you gotta take off the downpipe, radiator, lots of things, its pretty straight forward just busy work.

ya, i know that feeling. what brand injectors you getting? im trying to decide who to buy mine from.

havent done any research but you know what turbo im getting :P

[em1toevo]

Just by looking at everyone's mods-my car must be slow as hell proportionally. I mean yeah it's an evo, but wow 100+ hp over stock must feel like a different car. I will get a taste of some power after getting my tbe on this weekend and getting tuned soon. i am still leaning towards getting Jestr tuned for now since it's only $52 and getting a custom/dyno tune later. Any thoughts?

[YSLBTT]

hmm... not sure. alan tuned his car himself i think he did a pretty good job on it. maybe he'd be willing to do something to your car as well?

i know mail in tunes arent really good, cuz every car is different you know.

it's like, you get a mail in for a car with an intake, exhaust, and bov... its pretty standard but each car has its different settings, difference engine. no car is the same.

i think tuning should be very personalized. some people get lucky with the mail ins some dont. .02

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I have heard really good things about Jestr tuning. I dont think you can go wrong with them. Ya, my car feels totally different compared to before. If you want to take it for a spin Saturday be my guest. Most people cant believe the difference over stock/lightly modded. End of summer I will be close do doubling the hp lol. Sounds retarded but it will actually be very drivable and still retain almost stock reliability. My goal is 375 on Andrews dyno which is about 431hp on a stadard dyno.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

There is no better way to have a car tuned then a custom dyno tune or street tune. Every car reacts differently to mods, and changes in tuning needs to be specific, not a general ballpark figure. Not sure if that makes any sense, but I believe each car needs its individual tune, like Ed said.

[em1toevo]

I can't wait to see what an evo is really capable of in person. Reading about it is one thing. The crazy part is that the evo is already so much quicker than any car I've ever owned. I got to ride in a friend's ferrari F-355 and that much naturally aspirated power is insane. It sounded like a sport bike when it revved to 9k! I was planted in the seat alright. I can't imagine what that much power in an evo feels like.

[YSLBTT]

drive ryans car. my car is pretty fast as well. but nothing compared to his. we raced once. he let me go, after like 3 seconds, he flys by. lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

After the install day I had a friend in the car with me when me and Ed raced on 75S on the way back. I asked him to try and touch the dash, I put my foot all the way down, it pinned him so bad he couldnt reach the dash lol. Its alot of fun with the Turbo AWD as always, more power is always more fun. Its a totally different feeling boosting 24.5psi compared to 19 like stock.

[em1toevo]

I should probably just save up some extra cash and go up to see Andrew for a custom tune. Any idea with minimal mods like mine how much a tune might run? I will have a tbe, intake and mbc? I am looking into getting a mbc very soon before getting tuned.

[YSLBTT]

hell yeh. its fast. lol

[YSLBTT]

he charged me 150. i had more mods than that.

[TripperFx3]

Im Jestr tuned and love it. Im not sure what my AF ratio is, but i know its fairly rich due to the stuff coming out of the exhaust :lol:. Also i sent my tune to alan and hes got the same stuff as me plus a IC and he said it was running a 13:1 on his and he was set at 12:1 now, but hes running leaner due to his IC. Still... 13:1 is pretty rich considering 14.7 is stoic and thats what your aiming at, but richer is better for reliability.

Since your staying in state a custom tune would be better and yield higher HP. The only reason i went with Jestr tune is because hes the best eflasher, and im moving from an area with 93 to an area with 91. Once i get out there ill be doing a custom tune from SpeedElement (they have a 450 HP evo that gets 31mpg!!!). If you can afford a custom tune then do it. I believe Ryan said he was quoted 125 or 150 for a full tune. When i move im looking at 400 for a full tune. If Andrew can do a 91 map for me that i can save on my comp and load up later ill do that. I was planning on calling him later this week.


Finally the difference between my car and Ryans car is insane! Its not as fast as Charles old set up when i drove it, but still insane and it made up my mind as to if i was doing cams or not :lol:

[em1toevo]

I'll put it this way...If I win my court case this year, I'm rounding all y'all up at the house for another cookout and we're going e-shopping on my comp to finish the evo! I told my wife if we paid off everything and have some money left the evo gets some love.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Anrews main tuning system is the Vishnu Xede, which works well in my opinion. Some people like it, some dont, you get good power out of it. I dont think Ed is 100% happy with his tune, but I believe this is because he has a misfire issue at the time. Andrew is a tuning genious in my opinion. He also can do ECUflash and dynotune that aswell. However he told me to expect lower numbers by around 10-15hp witha ECUflash. He charges 150 for a dynotune. I am working with him to see if we can get any group deals, its hard to get him to do this though. He has agreed to be one of our vendors though, so I am trying to send everyone his way. If you give him a call, let him know I sent you, I would like him to know that I am trying to send everyone his way. It would help us all out too. I am going to try and setup a dynoday sometime this summer.

Back on topic, I like the Xede, but you have to pay for the unit itself, which cost around 300-400. It controls everything so you dont even need a boost controller. But like I said, some people like it, some dont. You have a chance of throwing an SES code aswell, I used to, he fixed mine.

[YSLBTT]

my biggest concern is the misfire. which unlike other evos it does actually happen instead of just throwing the code. next trip up there i wanna try to show it to him. it usually misfires when im trying to race.

other than that, tune seems pretty ok.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

hell ya, im in :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

The Xede is designed to work with cams, once you get your cams your gonna be happy you have the Xede. Ya, Andrew should be able to solve the misfire pretty easily, he really knows what hes doing. I cant believe he solved my P0300 code so easily.

The best way to get good hp is having some sort of engine computer, flash of course is cheaper, but like I said, expect lower numbers. A stock Evo puts around 200hp down on Andrews dyno. With intake and tbe your looking at maybe 230 MAYBE. With the Xede tuned maybe 265ish.

[em1toevo]

That might be a little out of my financial range while I'm out of work. I could squeeze in a jestr tune for now though. I do want to get a custom tune later, but for now I just want run my car safely with these mods. Later i might look into the Xede and really go for some power. One step at a time for me with money being tight.

[YSLBTT]

i put down 275 with intake, UICP, LICP, FMIC, TBE and xede.

bout 317ish on a dynojet dyno.

[YSLBTT]

your car will be fine without a tune.

i ran my car with the same mods above ^^ for 2 months without a tune.

only thing it might do is run rich. thats not gonan hurt it. now you canNOT go without a tune if you do cams or something big like that, once you start messing with the timing of your engine, then yeah, its not safe or reliable.

[em1toevo]

230 hp really would be a heartbreaker on a dyno with an evo, lol. I am just so used to hearing the higher dynojet numbers.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I unerstand that completely. If your on a tight budget then a flash is definitely the way to go. The Xede has more potential, but that can always come later down the road. We'll get your stuff in this weekend and then get you a good flash before summer. Then you will have the whole summer to decide what you want to do next. There is never any rush on modding, ive made that mistake before and gotten myself into a bit of a whole because I spend too much. This is part of the reason I havnt done anything since my last install.

[alg626]

hey Brett i don't have a problem looking at ur ECU, i have the map Trip sent me from Jestr or we could road tune it for ya, adjust the timing and some idle settings, won't mess with air/fuel unless u have an wideband, just better to be safe but u'll gain a good bit from just the timing alone

Hey Trip i was seeing 12.1:1-12.5:1 with the Jestr map, my tune is set up around 11.5:1 -11.1, i got 96000 miles on my car gotta be careful with her in her old age, lol

[em1toevo]

Do you think the map is general enough to work on my car too? That would be sweet. I don't know much about how to go about it. So, any help you nad Trip could give me would be great.

[alg626]

yeah we can road tune it to your car, won't take but maybe 30mins. to dail it in with just the timing beinig changed, u'll love it. lol

[em1toevo]

Damn now I am REALLY looking forward to this weekend. That would be sweet to have a road tune. So, basically you just adjust it here and there to more fit my car? How do you go about it?

[YSLBTT]

lol damn. nice.

[alg626]

well we'll load up the Jestr map or one of my old one's, do a 3rd gear pull and adjust until we get no knock counts, i use Evoscan to log the car during all of the tuning it will log the knock counts , timing, coolant temp, almost everything in the ecu really, nice little program for 25 dollars

and we can adjust ur idle so when u turn on ur ac the car doesn't idle at 650rpm's and idle like crap, little stuff like that,

another thing to think about is a Manuel Boost Controller there like $85 from forge, set the boost for 22psi and then have a great time, lol
its a 30 min. install also, cheap and easy, thats how i like my women also, lol jk i'm married

[YSLBTT]

DAMN, next time i see your wife... you're in trouble :D

[em1toevo]

Oh I am definitely getting a mbc, but not in time for this weekend. I have been trying to decide between the hallman and forge. I also want to get the stock metal bov instead of my plastic one. I bet that mbc will definitely make a difference just by upping the boost a few psi.

[em1toevo]

Sounds like you know just how to get me running Alan. Btw, how will my mpg be affected? Will it drastically reduce it?

[alg626]

no it won't, well it will the first few tanks cause of all the gas u'll be burning :) cause of the new power, it should actually help alittle with the exhaust opening things up,

as long as ur in close loop ur fuel trims and sensors are managing ur fuel, but when u go past about 30% throttle thats when the ecu switches to ur air/fuel maps in the ECU and u start burning gas

yeah make sure u get a new bov before upping the boost or the factory one will leak, mine did at about 21psi, leaked enough where u could hear it, lol

[em1toevo]

Do you think I will notice a big difference in my power with the exhaust, intake and road tune? I know it isn't much in the way of mods like Ryan's evo, but I can't help thinking that I will feel the increase in power.

[alg626]

o yeah u will feel it besides cams these mods r the ones u feel the most.

we doing an intake also? what kind

[YSLBTT]

no intake i believe.

i went back to stock bov. my other one was surging pretty badly. im gonna buy the evo 9 metal one. it feels so much better driving with that.

[em1toevo]

I already have a hks intake installed. I have a question though. When I bought my car it had a crappy weapon r intake on it. When I installed the hks, I noticed that the boost solenoid (?) attached to the frame underneath the maf had two gold nipples exposed without the hoses attached. I know one goes to the intake pipe and the other hose i'm not sure. I heard some ppl take these hoses off when using a mbc. It has run perfectly fine so far. My question is should I get some hoses to replace them? I wasn't sure if a tune would be affected by my not having those hoses.

[alg626]

holy cow ur running off wastegate pressure which is like 11-12psi yeah u need to get some hoses, but from mitsu, because they have a little restictor pill in them, not just regular vacuum hoses, u can but u only be running off wastegate pressure, man u'll think ur car is a monster, lol afterwards, is there anyway u can get a picture of this to make sure i'm telling u right

[alg626]

or u can get an mbc before this sat.,

and also there might be 2 nipples exposed at the wastegate and turbine on the bottom side of the turbine

[em1toevo]

ok hang on...

[YSLBTT]

did i hear nipples?

[alg626]

lol yes u did, but not those kind, just play with ur own gezz, lol

[YSLBTT]

hmmmm i'd rather play with a girl's. :D

[Xpsi]

Nipples ftw and thread jackers FTL!

Don't make me abuse my powers!

[YSLBTT]

ok. dont make me fire you.


ooooooooooooooh in yo face!

[em1toevo]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/brettboostsolenoid2p.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/brettboostsolenoid1.jpg
The two black nipples in the middle of the second pic are what i am referring to.

[alg626]

is that second pic right behind the headlight housing , right in front of the filter? kinda hard for me to see

[em1toevo]

It's an up close pic of the first pic. It is right under the maf and hks filter and right behind the driver side headlight area.

[em1toevo]

It is exactly under the connection for the intake pipe and maf. You can see the pavement below in the background of the pic.

[alg626]

yeah it seems to be that the hose is missing off of the boost solenoid, yeah just cap that off when using a mbc, there should be 2 nipples, one by the wastegate actuator and one right under the compressor side of the turbo should be able to look right into the engine bay and see, hang on i'll try to get some pics of mine

[alg626]

here ya go, one is right there in front of the turbo at the bottom(wastegate actuator), and one is at the bottom of the compressor side

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f349/alg626/Picture018.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f349/alg626/Picture019.jpg

[em1toevo]

So the hoses from those two nipples go to the wastegate actuator and compressor? Can you see the nipples that I am referring to? If you look straight over to the right from the wastegate where the intake pipe is-that is where the nipples are connected to the frame. I called Rick Case Parts in duluth and told them that I needed the hoses and they can't tell from their parts schematic what hoses I am referring to.

[em1toevo]

If I don't have them on and no mbc-then I am running low boost? I want to be ready for this weekend.

[alg626]

i'll stop by my mitsu place and will see what they can do, yeah ur running low boost i would think

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Do you think I will notice a big difference in my power with the exhaust, intake and road tune? I know it isn't much in the way of mods like Ryan's evo, but I can't help thinking that I will feel the increase in power.

you will definitely feel a good increase in power. As stated before, you should pick up a good amount of power from tbe, intake, and tune. I would say around 250-260 on andrews dyno. keep in mind 260 on andrews dyno is about 287-299 on a dynojet. Not bad numbers for simple mods.

[em1toevo]

That sucks. I have been riding around all this time with half my stock power. I think I am gonna shat myself when I see some real power. I appreciate you going well out of your way to help me Alan.

[Xpsi]

Alan skills FTW!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

If I am correct, without that hose in reality you only push 10.5psi. You are going to think your car is a freak after this weekend lol. Put it this way, you are most likely below 200whp right now...

[em1toevo]

My car=boosted D16 civic..... :| I need to get my hands on those hoses before the weekend. That's for sure.

[alg626]

i'll got by Mitsu for ya, and i can get them, u can just give me the money when we get there Sat. ifs thats cool with u, i'm out cya tomorrow

[YSLBTT]

10 psi ftl man...

hopefully you will see a good increase in power this weekend. exhaust makes a hell of a difference for any turbo car so.

[em1toevo]

Cool. I would appreciate that! I will pay you on saturday :D .

[em1toevo]

I found the pic of what I was talking about guys.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/turbo-wastegate-actuator.jpg

[Xpsi]

It's really good seeing you guys help each other out.

Group hug everyone

:wav: :wav:



:tongue2: Ed is aside cuz he's emo :)

[TripperFx3]

Damn i missed alot. Yea your running off of wastegate pressure. Chances are the guy that had the car before you removed his MBC either that or the dealership saw it and just took it off not knowing what thoses nipples were for. Where did you buy the car?

[em1toevo]

I bought it at Parkway Mitsu. in LaGrange. There were a few minor things here and there, but for the price I paid it wasa worth it. It had a couple of dings in the trunk lid, rock chipped rims, front lip had clip broken, missing SSL sub(I got another), and peeling clearcoat on wing. I got it for a little over $22k in August of last year when prices were high. I though I came out good. I knew I could fix the few problems and still come out cheaper than paying $27k (going price for '05 SSl). It great thing was it only had 12,500 miles when I got it-17k now.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Not bad at all. I got a great deal myself. Got mine last year in July, its an 03 had 10K on it, immaculate condition, had absolutely no flaws whatsoever when I bought it. $24K otd. I faired out really well. I bought it from a Pontiac, Buick, and GMC dealership off of Chamblee that had no idea what the car was. They even asked me if I knew what the noise was that the DV was making :lol:

[em1toevo]

Yeah mine had some problems, but it is worth it everyday. I can't complain at all. Ryan, you stole your car at that kind of deal! Whoever owned your car before you must have hardly moved it out of the garage being an '03 in that condition and miles. That dealership never knew what they lost on that deal.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ya, I honestly believe they thought it was just a really nice Lancer or something. They told me the previous owner was like a 50year old man who only drove it mildly on the weekends. Whether thats true or not I dont know but it was still in perfect condition. Just wait until we get our car working properly this weekend. You will fall in love with your car all over again.

[em1toevo]

I can't imagine how the new found power will feel. I am so excited to know that I will see such a drastic change with so little done.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol ya, you just start laughing at half of the other cars out there that want to race you. I seriously catch myself rolling my eyes half the time :roll:

[Xpsi]

I would too, if I had the mods that you have. I'm not up there with the baller status. I went to dyno4mance with Ed this past Saturday, and Andrew is a cool guy. Not to mention any shops here but i'm leaning towards doing business with them in the future. Plus it was fun seeing the Andrew doing donuts inside the shop with the go-kart.
Sorry to thread jack Brett.
Back on topic now.

[Xpsi]

em1toevo = Check PM!

:P

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Jr, go to club business section and tell me what u think about my logo !!

[em1toevo]

Just tell me where to send the money for mine Ryan!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ill try to get them done asap, just awaiting everyones aproval, and Ill probably have to buy a UK badge, will be a nice addition :D

[em1toevo]

I have been wanting the black uk badging. I think it would look sweet on my black evo so it looks like it is coming out of the paint.

[alg626]

man thats weird thats the dealership i'm going to, to get the hoses, i work down here in LaGrange,

yeah they don't know much about Evo's at all, maybe just how to change the oil, lol

[em1toevo]

The tech that they brought over (when I told them that the rubber coupler for UICP was rubbing the fan) was an idiot. He didn't tighten down the clamp for the coupler at all after adjusting it. Two days later the damn thing popped off while I was driving. Omg that was a crazy feeling-jerking and sputtering. I knew exactly what happened when it did it. I had to stop in a papa john's parking lot and borrow their screw driver to screw it back down. I was pissed cause the engine was scalding hot and I was late for work :cussing: .

[alg626]

lol, yeah i remember the first time i blew a ic pipe off, it was the one to the trottle body, very loud and scary, lol i thought i blew my engine up at first, lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol ive done the same thing. 1st time is always scary as hell because u dont know what happened. After that its just annoying. I havnt blown any with my new setup which is part of the reason i love it so much.

[YSLBTT]

ive never blown any, except the day i got it in. after that, it's been tightned with a jdm wrench, so.... that only comes off with another jdm wrench..

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

everthing is jdm with u...

[YSLBTT]

im jdm.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

no your brazilian, im jdm

[YSLBTT]

and you're actually telling the truth... lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol i know!

[Xpsi]

Ed will probably have his kid in japan, just to show how jdm he is.

[YSLBTT]

*while in a plane*

My wife: I think i just broke my water!

Me: Pilot step on it, we dont have much time!!!

(PS i know no pregnant women can go on planes)

[alg626]

its ok Ed it was still funny,

while i'm so freaking IDM(Irish Domestic Market), yay lol

[TripperFx3]

Im the most JDM out of all of ya'll! I actually speak Japanese! :D But im mostly German... :(

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I actually am Japanese(1/2) which is why Ed said i actually am JDM :lol: so I think I got u beat Tripp :shock:

[TripperFx3]

Yea... You got me there, but i can go have a conversation with the cute race queens... If the wife will let me... :(

[YSLBTT]

so thats a no...

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

^ :lol: owned

[IronPalm]

Im the most JDM out of all of ya'll! I actually speak Japanese! :D But im mostly German... :(
Nihongo ga wakarimasu, tsukoshii

[TripperFx3]

^ :lol: owned
Yea... I admit i got beat on that one :lol:. And Iron... I do understand it more than i can speak it. I took four years in high school, but that was 4 years ago :lol:. So... Hai, Nihongo hanashimasu.. Choto...

[YSLBTT]

konichiwa... arigato...

[alg626]

Hey we need to make a list of everyone thats going for Brett to know,


o and Brett i got the hoses, there about $22 i'll have a reciept when we get there,

[em1toevo]

Thanks Alan!! I really appreciate it! I will have the money for you sir.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

nice, anyone get an updated weather forcast for tomorow?

[alg626]

90% chance of t-storms

[em1toevo]

Here's the plan. Yes, it is almost definitely going to rain/storm tomorrow. If everyone is still fine with that, then we will still proceed. I would have everyone meet me at my house. Then, we will take a 5 min ride to my work and use the garage area in the back of the warehouse. It is big enough for one car at a time, but PLENTY of room for everyone inside with the car( it is an open warehouse area). Then after we are finished, we can go back to my house and grill out. I have my grill ready on the back porch. It is fully covered and a screened in all the way around. The only way the weather would really inconvenience anyone is the drive to Athens. But, if you guys feel that it isn't still a good idea because of the weather-I understand.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ill be there.... Rain = Drift :D

[alg626]

i'm good for still going,

Brett i suppose u weren't tuned for the intake either?

[em1toevo]

Ryan, I like the way you think.

Drift=AWD fun :D

[em1toevo]

As far as I know there isn't a tune on the car. I really can't tell that mods were on the car prior to me owning it(aside from a weapon r intake). Who really knows? I guess we'll find out.

[alg626]

Yeah we will, ur gonna love ur car after we're finished man i'm excited and its not even my car, lol

so who's gonna have the laptop, cause i don't have one

[em1toevo]

I have one, but I don't have any programs to tune with. I will download whatever I need when y'all get here.

[YSLBTT]

im game. let it rain bitches.

[em1toevo]

Actually I watched the news and checked the weather channel online just now. It isn't supposed to get to the Athens area until around 5-6pm anyway so we should be good. Also, they said that it would probably end up weakening before it gets here.

[YSLBTT]

awww no drifting? lol shucks. :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

all we need is 1 nice glaze to get the streets ready.... your workplace have a hose? :D

[em1toevo]

I wasn't sure how many people would actually be able to come so I bought plenty. I hope everyone comes hungry!
:partyman:

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

sweet, i cant wait