Gt-r

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Thought this would get alot of talk. What do you guys think about the new GT-R. Especially concerning the warranty issues. Nissan has made it near impossible to use this car for what it is designed to do without voiding your warranty

[Dangeruss]

I don't like a car that weighs 3,900lbs. That's a huge handicap, even if it's already relatively fast.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

maybe so, but there is alot of weight to be dropped from that car fairly easily and it comes with almost 600 to compensate for it. I think the power/weight ratio are the least of the problems

[em1toevo]

I really love the car, but it is sad that Nissan built it to compete with supercars and yet you aren't allowed to drive it as such.

[em1toevo]

Also, I heard that if the car's GPS ever detects you driving on a track(many are pre-programmed in to the GPS's coordinates) Nissan will find out and void your warranty. Is that really true?

[TouringBubble]

can I get cliffs on these warranty issues?

EM1, my understanding is that on the JDM model, the speed limiter is disabled when the GPS detects you are at a sanctioned race track. i don't think the feature exists on USDM models. I've not heard of a voided warranty from visiting a race track.

[Dangeruss]

Well, there's a problem from that. If you drop say 500lbs or so you will be screwing up the dampener rates. Those coils are designed for a car with that weight. It won't be a huge difference, but it should be noticeable. You then would need to buy a coilover system which most likely would not support the magneto shock sport/comfort system. Not to mention that the turbo and manifold are one piece and doing any slight modification on the car will throw a code.

[Dangeruss]

Also, I heard that if the car's GPS ever detects you driving on a track(many are pre-programmed in to the GPS's coordinates) Nissan will find out and void your warranty. Is that really true?
That is not the case on NA models.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Yes I have heard that to be true aswell. Problem is how will they know if you are actually racing at the track or going to spectate? I would look to see Nissan offering some kind of a service/warranty package in the coming years once the sales drop off and all of the GT-R owners get pissed and try to sell their cars.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Well, there's a problem from that. If you drop say 500lbs or so you will be screwing up the dampener rates. Those coils are designed for a car with that weight. It won't be a huge difference, but it should be noticeable. You then would need to buy a coilover system which most likely would not support the magneto shock sport/comfort system. Not to mention that the turbo and manifold are one piece and doing any slight modification on the car will throw a code.

If your dropping 500lbs off the car then you probably plan to do a coilover which they do already make to fit that cars system. Also there are many mods you can do before the turbo and manifold. I would expect there will be code fixes down the road for those mods. Its not like your warranty will be intact if you upgrade the turbo and mani anyways. Small modifications do not throw codes, this has already been proven.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

can I get cliffs on these warranty issues?

EM1, my understanding is that on the JDM model, the speed limiter is disabled when the GPS detects you are at a sanctioned race track. i don't think the feature exists on USDM models. I've not heard of a voided warranty from visiting a race track.

In a nutshell if you launch the car - warranty voided, if you turn off the VDC, which is a simple button and drive the car hard, warranty voided. If you miss a mandatory maintenance period which cost between $8000-$10000 and is needed every 10K miles or so, warranty voided. There are many more of these BS regulations, Ill see if I can find a few more links to them for you. Oh and as mentioned before, you track the car at all, warranty voided.

[TouringBubble]

Hmmmm ... WTF are you supposed to do with the car then? Is this an individual dealership's call or is Nissan itself barking these orders? I ask because I can see dealerships trying their best to get out of warranty claims as they cost them money ... when it comes to a car like the GTR, it's likely a LOT of money.

[em1toevo]

I think the sanctions are mainly a corporate decision. I just find it ridiculous that it is against the rules to drive the car how it was meant to be driven.

[em1toevo]

Besides, I think the dealer markup is crazy for those cars. I absolutely love the car, but I would never pay 20-30k more than sticker for any car.

[Dangeruss]

If your dropping 500lbs off the car then you probably plan to do a coilover which they do already make to fit that cars system. Also there are many mods you can do before the turbo and manifold. I would expect there will be code fixes down the road for those mods. Its not like your warranty will be intact if you upgrade the turbo and mani anyways. Small modifications do not throw codes, this has already been proven.
Last time I checked, even a new higher flowing intake threw a code through the maf's. As did exhausts from Mine's and Power House Amuse because of decreased backpressure. I know they bypassed the codes for the exhaust, but I'm not sure if they fixed the maf one. I'm assuming they did.

Edit: Here's a good site talking about transmission and warranty issues.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361

Hood light and other misc. stuff like the mines ecu.
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/96997-07-gtr-r35-hood-light-comes-shifting-problem.html

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Hmmmm ... WTF are you supposed to do with the car then? Is this an individual dealership's call or is Nissan itself barking these orders? I ask because I can see dealerships trying their best to get out of warranty claims as they cost them money ... when it comes to a car like the GTR, it's likely a LOT of money.

This is every Nissan dealership in North America. Your 1st sentence sums it all up. This is exactly why GT-R owners across the country are all pissed off and also why many people are backing off of buying them. Why pay $100K for a car (after markup) when you cant even use it for what its designed to do.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Last time I checked, even a new higher flowing intake threw a code through the maf's. As did exhausts from Mine's and Power House Amuse because of decreased backpressure. I know they bypassed the codes for the exhaust, but I'm not sure if they fixed the maf one. I'm assuming they did.

Edit: Here's a good site talking about transmission and warranty issues.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361

Hood light and other misc. stuff like the mines ecu.
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/96997-07-gtr-r35-hood-light-comes-shifting-problem.html

I believe as long as you keep the factory downpipes you area able to mod the rest of the exhaust without any code issues, I may be wrong though, Ill have to double check. As far as the maf goes, Im not sure, I would assume its only a matter of time before they find a solution for that, assuming they havnt already done so. Thanks for the links :)

[mouse]

The fact that first test vehicle was a factory freak and that none of the ones tested after could compair, kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth. Plus To me its too big of a car, heck 350Z's are alittle big for me, I just came from an S2000 though!

[Hikaru]

Bad Ass car but IMHO not worth it. For that kinda money the hasstles are RIDICULOUS! If you have that kinda dough then go z06 and call it a day.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I'de much rather dish out the extra cash and go all out to get an Audo R8

[mouse]

I'de much rather dish out the extra cash and go all out to get an Audo R8


Extra cash? I dont think R8's are that expensive. Maybe I am wrong. Ohh or a R8 TDI!!

[em1toevo]

R8=teh sex!

[mouse]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/yoihash/warranty.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[em1toevo]

^Sad but true.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

:D exactly, I believe after the markup R8s are going for 120-130 or so

[ultm8mind]

Alot of hype over nonsense. You pay that much for a car you should be able to do whatever you want with it. You could get an R34 and get more looks for less!! That's just my opinion, but hey then again I do not have that money for an overpriced G37, LOL

[bomjoon]

gtr is nice but for themoney there are better cars to be had.

but having a gtr would be nice.

[TripperFx3]

What I remember hearing and last I heard from my friend with connections through Nissan is that you can launch the car and beat on it a bit on the track, but afterwards you have to put the car through a mandatory 1000+ dollar after track inspection in which I'm sure they change the fluids in the engine and drivetrain along with checking brakes and everything else. If you don't do this inspection than they void your warranty.

Also, so you don't beat the crap out of the car in offroad conditions or drag races they do limit the car to 120MPH on unapproved tracks and when off the beaten path, so to speak. So if you try to take it to Silver Dollar or little Tally I you'll be limited to 120, but if you go to Road Atlanta you can beat the ever loving shit out of the car as long as you do the inspection afterwards.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

What I remember hearing and last I heard from my friend with connections through Nissan is that you can launch the car and beat on it a bit on the track, but afterwards you have to put the car through a mandatory 1000+ dollar after track inspection in which I'm sure they change the fluids in the engine and drivetrain along with checking brakes and everything else. If you don't do this inspection than they void your warranty.

Also, so you don't beat the crap out of the car in offroad conditions or drag races they do limit the car to 120MPH on unapproved tracks and when off the beaten path, so to speak. So if you try to take it to Silver Dollar or little Tally I you'll be limited to 120, but if you go to Road Atlanta you can beat the ever loving shit out of the car as long as you do the inspection afterwards.

Not the case anymore my friend. Nissan decided to go ape shit and be more strict about things. GTR owners would love to have this to go by, but unfortunately they dont even get that amount of fun.

[TripperFx3]

Not the case anymore my friend. Nissan decided to go ape shit and be more strict about things. GTR owners would love to have this to go by, but unfortunately they dont even get that amount of fun.

I think that's absolutely retarded! I could understand them doing this if you could only lease the car, but if your paying, well with mark ups, over or close to 100k for a car and a car that's meant to actually cost the same or a little more than a Z06 and beat it then you should be able to take it on the track and do what you want with it w/o voiding your warranty. I don't even think they did this BS with the Skyline GT-R Z-Tune, which is a more reliably built and probably faster around a track, than the new GT-R.

Now with modding and voiding I understand, but to own this car and have fun with it you basically need to make over 200k a year, so you can afford to fix it if it breaks.

The only reason I can think of them doing this is so they won't go broke trying to fix any and all warranty issues they may have with the car as Nissan, like some auto makers nowadays, isn't doing so well right now. But if you ask me if you build a car that you can't let the people who buy it use it the way it's meant to you shouldn't even release the damn car!

Sorry guys.../rant

[mouse]

I think the restriction is only an Asain market item. There are two guys that come to our local meet, both have driven the GTR and they both said on the highway they went well over 120mph. One might have bought one and should be bringing to the meet soon. I will post pictures when this happens just solidify the truth.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I think that's absolutely retarded! I could understand them doing this if you could only lease the car, but if your paying, well with mark ups, over or close to 100k for a car and a car that's meant to actually cost the same or a little more than a Z06 and beat it then you should be able to take it on the track and do what you want with it w/o voiding your warranty. I don't even think they did this BS with the Skyline GT-R Z-Tune, which is a more reliably built and probably faster around a track, than the new GT-R.

Now with modding and voiding I understand, but to own this car and have fun with it you basically need to make over 200k a year, so you can afford to fix it if it breaks.

The only reason I can think of them doing this is so they won't go broke trying to fix any and all warranty issues they may have with the car as Nissan, like some auto makers nowadays, isn't doing so well right now. But if you ask me if you build a car that you can't let the people who buy it use it the way it's meant to you shouldn't even release the damn car!

Sorry guys.../rant

This is exactly what has upset the entire GTR community. Alot of them have just said f it and are doing what they want with the car, but most of the owners who cant afford to spend $20k to rebuild the tranny are in an absolute rage.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I think the restriction is only an Asain market item. There are two guys that come to our local meet, both have driven the GTR and they both said on the highway they went well over 120mph. One might have bought one and should be bringing to the meet soon. I will post pictures when this happens just solidify the truth.

The 120mph part is new to me. I do know that the part about launch control and the vdc button is true. I know a few cases in which GTR owners have learned this the hard way :(

[Dangeruss]

I think the restriction is only an Asain market item. There are two guys that come to our local meet, both have driven the GTR and they both said on the highway they went well over 120mph. One might have bought one and should be bringing to the meet soon. I will post pictures when this happens just solidify the truth.
The 115-120mph limiter is a gps sensor system that is not supposed to even be equipped on the NA models. That was one of the main perks about having one here. If they have started to use that firmware in the NA GTR's then that's just retarded.

[TripperFx3]

The 115-120mph limiter is a gps sensor system that is not supposed to even be equipped on the NA models. That was one of the main perks about having one here. If they have started to use that firmware in the NA GTR's then that's just retarded.

They haven't I know that one for sure. The NA models are not speed limited. I just watched one of the recent episodes of top gear where Jeremy was driving the GT-R and James and Richard were on the bullet train and he said that he was limited to 120 there in Japan unless he went to a race track.

[Dangeruss]

They haven't I know that one for sure. The NA models are not speed limited. I just watched one of the recent episodes of top gear where Jeremy was driving the GT-R and James and Richard were on the bullet train and he said that he was limited to 120 there in Japan unless he went to a race track.
Top Gear is a great show, but a quarter of the stuff they say is false. I only watch it for the comedic factor.

[TripperFx3]

Top Gear is a great show, but a quarter of the stuff they say is false. I only watch it for the comedic factor.

Well I've heard and read this on many occasions as well. I believe I even read it in SCC.

[Dangeruss]

Well I've heard and read this on many occasions as well. I believe I even read it in SCC.
I have heard it from many sources too, but I wouldn't put anything put anything past Ghosn.

[TripperFx3]

I have heard it from many sources too, but I wouldn't put anything put anything past Ghosn.

Ghosn?

[Dangeruss]

Ghosn?
CEO of Nissan and Renault.

[TouringBubble]

My friend test drove the first one at his dealership ... he said it went to 150 quick, so it doesn't sound limited. He's got an Evo, Supra and a R33 GT-T, so no real reason to make up stuff about cars. I believe I also heard the speed limiter only in Japan story on Top Gear, but I think it was also in an article I read.

[bomjoon]

he may not make up stuff about his cars but he sure mad stuff up about other cars he sells.

[DragonForce]

Everyone is talking about the warranty issues with this car. Don't forget the maintenance on this thing is also extremely high. How does a $8000 60,000 mile service sound. Oh you need tires, that'll be $2500. Brakes??? hope you have $3000 lying around. If you ask me,

A) Nissan doesn't want you to have fun in the car
B) Once you have fun in it (ie: turn off the VDC) you're SOL
C) You'll need to get a loan to maintain this Turd.

How does this add up to an enjoyed ownership experience.

Trust me, as a Nissan North America employee i'd rather get the new 370z. More powerful and lighter then the current 350z, it's also wider and shorter. Now the specs aren't out yet, but I'm hoping for consistent sub 5 sec's 0-60 runs and it should be amazing on the track as well. Anyway that my 2 cents.

[TripperFx3]

Everyone is talking about the warranty issues with this car. Don't forget the maintenance on this thing is also extremely high. How does a $8000 60,000 mile service sound. Oh you need tires, that'll be $2500. Brakes??? hope you have $3000 lying around. If you ask me,

A) Nissan doesn't want you to have fun in the car
B) Once you have fun in it (ie: turn off the VDC) you're SOL
C) You'll need to get a loan to maintain this Turd.

How does this add up to an enjoyed ownership experience.

Trust me, as a Nissan North America employee i'd rather get the new 370z. More powerful and lighter then the current 350z, it's also wider and shorter. Now the specs aren't out yet, but I'm hoping for consistent sub 5 sec's 0-60 runs and it should be amazing on the track as well. Anyway that my 2 cents.
That'll be impressive for a NA engine!

I agree with what your saying though. It's a cheap super car to buy initially, but once maintenance costs kick in your sorta SOL. I really think Nissan will have to back down on some of the prices of the maintenance and with how strict they're being. It seems like right now it's cheaper overall to buy a Ferrari and your also getting the Ferrari name and not just a Nissan, so to speak.

[Dangeruss]

Oh, they want you to have fun with the car. They want you to break it when you are having fun though. At that point, they make tons of money off you.