My MR makes good power

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

So last Friday at Forged we threw up the MR on the dyno just to get a baseline. Keep in mind that Sharif's dyno reads pretty low, on average around 10-15% low. Anyways, as far as we can tell the only thing that is done to the car is a drop in filter, which would hardly account for a huge hp increase. The car dyno'd at 264.4whp on the heartbreaker dyno, which is incredibly high for being pretty much a bone stock car. For those of you who dont want to do the conversion, that would be around 290 at 10% and 304 at 15%. Im assuming its closer to 10% due to the lower hp levels. Even so, the boost was right where the stock boost levels should be. The A/F was still rich as it always is from the factory. So Im not really sure where the power is coming from. I'll post up the dyno charts tonight when I get home. I just thought you guys would be interested to know ;)

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[Evolvedgti]

Thats the stock Ix for you. Better turbo, hotside, mivec. All the things your VIII didn't have stock. So last Friday at Forged we threw up the MR on the dyno just to get a baseline. Keep in mind that Sharif's dyno reads pretty low, on average around 10-15% low. Anyways, as far as we can tell the only thing that is done to the car is a drop in filter, which would hardly account for a huge hp increase. The car dyno'd at 264.4whp on the heartbreaker dyno, which is incredibly high for being pretty much a bone stock car. For those of you who dont want to do the conversion, that would be around 290 at 10% and 304 at 15%. Im assuming its closer to 10% due to the lower hp levels. Even so, the boost was right where the stock boost levels should be. The A/F was still rich as it always is from the factory. So Im not really sure where the power is coming from. I'll post up the dyno charts tonight when I get home. I just thought you guys would be interested to know ;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Thats the stock Ix for you. Better turbo, hotside, mivec. All the things your VIII didn't have stock.

I know the IX is stronger, but not that strong. normally a bone stock IX will dyno around 220-230 on our dyno, I believe they are usually around 245ish on a dynojet. Most bone stock VIII's dyno around 200 on our dyno.

Think of it this way, my car put 25whp less than your car, and Im bone stock. If I were to add TBE, MBC, and tune it, I could easily hit close to 330whp on this dyno without cams.

There has to be something else accounting for the power increase. Ive read about a few rumors that people have claimed to be true that some early model MR's came with a JDM mivec map, but Im still trying to see how true that actually is. The post I read was from someone who did drop in filter, tbe, mbc, and a tune and dyno'd at 365whp on a dynojet, no cams.

[DragonForce]

I know the IX is stronger, but not that strong. normally a bone stock IX will dyno around 220-230 on our dyno, I believe they are usually around 245ish on a dynojet. Most bone stock VIII's dyno around 200 on our dyno.

Think of it this way, my car put 25whp less than your car, and Im bone stock. If I were to add TBE, MBC, and tune it, I could easily hit close to 330whp on this dyno without cams.

There has to be something else accounting for the power increase. Ive read about a few rumors that people have claimed to be true that some early model MR's came with a JDM mivec map, but Im still trying to see how true that actually is. The post I read was from someone who did drop in filter, tbe, mbc, and a tune and dyno'd at 365whp on a dynojet, no cams.

I need to dyno my MR and see what she's putting down. I got one of the first IX MR's around here.

[Evolvedgti]

This may be true, but as you know my car was over heating(per sharif, I never saw it with my own eyes) and he stopped there. I had been dynoed before on a dyno pak and hit 305 awp with 278 lbs TQ. That is why I don't care about those numbers. It will be different REAL soon. Anyways, congrats on the power.I know the IX is stronger, but not that strong. normally a bone stock IX will dyno around 220-230 on our dyno, I believe they are usually around 245ish on a dynojet. Most bone stock VIII's dyno around 200 on our dyno.

Think of it this way, my car put 25whp less than your car, and Im bone stock. If I were to add TBE, MBC, and tune it, I could easily hit close to 330whp on this dyno without cams.

There has to be something else accounting for the power increase. Ive read about a few rumors that people have claimed to be true that some early model MR's came with a JDM mivec map, but Im still trying to see how true that actually is. The post I read was from someone who did drop in filter, tbe, mbc, and a tune and dyno'd at 365whp on a dynojet, no cams.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

This may be true, but as you know my car was over heating(per sharif, I never saw it with my own eyes) and he stopped there. I had been dynoed before on a dyno pak and hit 305 awp with 278 lbs TQ. That is why I don't care about those numbers. It will be different REAL soon. Anyways, congrats on the power.

My with your car is that most bolt on IX's that I have seen make 5-10whp more or less of what you did. Your numbers are very normal, even without overheating you would have made around 300 tops on our dyno. You also have to realize that 290 on our dyno is more than 305 on a dynopack. Im 95% sure that if all I did was a TBE I would hit close to 300 on our dyno.

I was actually wondering if anyone had any other ideas to why my car would be making this kind of power. I havnt ruled out the possibility that there may be a mod somewhere on the car that I have overlooked, but as far as I can see its stock besides the drop in filter, which as I said would account for 2-3hp max.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I need to dyno my MR and see what she's putting down. I got one of the first IX MR's around here.

Yours is stock right? Is it faster or slower than Alex's? :D

[Evolvedgti]

With that said, heres my ideas to look for

1. Your bcs has been switched out for a GM bar one
2. flashed maybe?
3.like you said jdm mivec map. I have heard that that can add up to 20 whp

Thats all I got. :D

My with your car is that most bolt on IX's that I have seen make 5-10whp more or less of what you did. Your numbers are very normal, even without overheating you would have made around 300 tops on our dyno. You also have to realize that 290 on our dyno is more than 305 on a dynopack. Im 95% sure that if all I did was a TBE I would hit close to 300 on our dyno.

I was actually wondering if anyone had any other ideas to why my car would be making this kind of power. I havnt ruled out the possibility that there may be a mod somewhere on the car that I have overlooked, but as far as I can see its stock besides the drop in filter, which as I said would account for 2-3hp max.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

With that said, heres my ideas to look for

1. Your bcs has been switched out for a GM bar one
2. flashed maybe?
3.like you said jdm mivec map. I have heard that that can add up to 20 whp

Thats all I got. :D

Not sure about the 1st one, definitely hasnt been flashed, as it is still pig rich and Sharif said he can pull a ton of power out of it with a tune, and the 3rd one is what Im assuming it is. lol, I guess its all a bit of a guessing game.

Touring and bigric, you guys have any experience with any JDM mapping or have any other ideas?

[TripperFx3]

If nothing else look at the date the car was actually made by the plaque on the side of the door. If it really is an early model MR than your idea that it has a JDM MIVEC map is probably correct.

[Evolvedgti]

I was guessing on the first one. I have heard that people that don't use mbc or ebc change out the solenoid to a gm 3 bar one, or something like that, and it allows them to up boost via the ecu. but then again, you said the boost is where is should be. shit I don't know. Is the actuator stock, maybe your holding boost better?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I was guessing on the first one. I have heard that people that don't use mbc or ebc change out the solenoid to a gm 3 bar one, or something like that, and it allows them to up boost via the ecu. but then again, you said the boost is where is should be. shit I don't know. Is the actuator stock, maybe your holding boost better?

The boost hits around 19.5 and tapers to 16.5-17. It sounds like a stock or close to stock boost level. Ive heard that the JDM mapping allows for boost to be held a little better, but Im not sure. I dont think its a gm 3 bar, but its possible the boost restrictor pill has been taken out, although as I said, boost has not been raised.

[The_Red_Viii]

maybe the IX MR is stronger than a stock IX???

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

maybe the IX MR is stronger than a stock IX???

Ok :) But why? Same engine, both have mivec, they are mechanically identical as far as motor goes (not including tranny) Im gonna make you think :)

[scoobysam]

maybe the dyno was acting up? I know sharif said the dyno was acting up when i dyno tuned there and got 337whp. Car didnt feel like it made any where near that power.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

maybe the dyno was acting up? I know sharif said the dyno was acting up when i dyno tuned there and got 337whp. Car didnt feel like it made any where near that power.

The dyno is actually acting fine right now. We've been dynoing cars all of last week and this week and its reading normal. The car actually does feel like it makes around 300 too. I cant explain it except for the JDM mapping theory/or fact.

[Evolvedgti]

The dyno is actually acting fine right now. We've been dynoing cars all of last week and this week and its reading normal. The car actually does feel like it makes around 300 too. I cant explain it except for the JDM mapping theory/or fact.

Ryan, I have the jdm file in email( zip) that I could email you if needed to compare the parameters. lmk

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

thats not a bad idea. I'll let you know when we decide to do that ;)

[TouringBubble]

My stock MR dyno'd at 255 awhp and 260 tq on a DynoJet.

http://www.frameleft.com/evo/images/baselineDyno.gif

You can compare the AFR curve from your dyno to this one to verify the stock tune as I know this was a completely stock 88590015 map. Notice the AFRs in the 10's after 5500 or so ...

As far as the JDM MIVEC map, I'm not seeing that kind of gain just from that small change. The MIVEC map is beneficial to the performance of the car, but will not usually net 20+ awhp, and definitely not the 35 hp that Ryan has seen. The car is modified some how some way or the dyno isn't much of a "heartbreaker" after all ...

Pull the map and post some tables ... shouldn't take 5 minutes. I can tell you right away if it's tuned and if so likely who tuned it ... =)

[TouringBubble]

Ok :) But why? Same engine, both have mivec, they are mechanically identical as far as motor goes (not including tranny) Im gonna make you think :)

Gearing could make it feel stronger than it really is, but it shouldn't affect the dyno numbers. Dyno pulls in 4th are usually right in line with the 5-speed ... 3rd may be a little higher due to gearing.

Maybe you got a car from a novice tuner that only loaded the JDM MIVEC map and tweaked the timing and wasn't comfortable tuning the fuel/boost ... that's my guess. I'm also guessing the pull was in 3rd. ;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Gearing could make it feel stronger than it really is, but it shouldn't affect the dyno numbers. Dyno pulls in 4th are usually right in line with the 5-speed ... 3rd may be a little higher due to gearing.

Maybe you got a car from a novice tuner that only loaded the JDM MIVEC map and tweaked the timing and wasn't comfortable tuning the fuel/boost ... that's my guess. I'm also guessing the pull was in 3rd. ;)

The pull was in 4th actually, no doubt about it. What your guessing about the novice tuner could be true. I have the charts at home, Im at work right now. As soon as I get home I'll upload them for you to see.

From the history of the dyno it really is a heartbreaker. I believe Chemwarrior had boltons and dyno'd at 220whp at the dynoday. Ive seen hundreds of cars hit this dyno and it definitely reads VERY low. My car put down way more power than expected, which is why Im so curious about this.

[em1toevo]

I agree with you Ryan. I think that there is something else done to the car. Those are very solid numbers for a bone stock car.

[bomjoon]

I need to dyno my MR and see what she's putting down. I got one of the first IX MR's around here.


i got like 2nd or 3rd one in GA.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

i got like 2nd or 3rd one in GA.

funny, i dont think you got the jdm mapping... i believe I remember watching Ed beat you :P Oh and Ed's a granny shifter too.

[em1toevo]

Ed's granny shifting=LOL!

[bomjoon]

funny, i dont think you got the jdm mapping... i believe I remember watching Ed beat you :P Oh and Ed's a granny shifter too.

ok what does this have to do with me and ed?
im not gonna make excuses i did have a launch problem that time.

i did beat him later... couple of days later.

and i got mine late sept. 05.

they came out with 6 mr's end of aug 05. and GA got them 2-3 weeks later.

and by the way if i had spent 50k+ to a build an evo and have robi drive my car i would atleast win the timeattack event in my class. :P

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ok what does this have to do with me and ed?
im not gonna make excuses i did have a launch problem that time.

i did beat him later... couple of days later.

and i got mine late sept. 05.

they came out with 6 mr's end of aug 05. and GA got them 2-3 weeks later.

and by the way if i had spent 50k+ to a build an evo and have robi drive my car i would atleast win the timeattack event in my class. :P

lol! seems like I hit a softspot. You get pretty sensitive everytime I bring that up. Oh and I'll be sure to tell Robi that you said he cant drive. Maybe the competition is harder than you think ;)

P.S. you would not have won your class, lol.

[TouringBubble]

Geez ... stop bickering.

BTW, "JDM Mapping" was never on any USDM Evo. That's why it's called the "JDM" map. It was stock on the JDM IX RS variants and offered better spool up characteristics and a beefier mid range.

[Chemwarrior]

From the history of the dyno it really is a heartbreaker. I believe Chemwarrior had boltons and dyno'd at 220whp at the dynoday. Ive seen hundreds of cars hit this dyno and it definitely reads VERY low. My car put down way more power than expected, which is why Im so curious about this.

Why did you have to bring that up, Ryan? Talk about a soft spot. LOL. At least I gained almost 90whp with my cams. I was extremely pleased with that.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Why did you have to bring that up, Ryan? Talk about a soft spot. LOL. At least I gained almost 90whp with my cams. I was extremely pleased with that.

lol thats the only reason I brought it up is because now you make great power ;)

[Evolvedgti]

Why did you have to bring that up, Ryan? Talk about a soft spot. LOL. At least I gained almost 90whp with my cams. I was extremely pleased with that.

Heres a "E" hug for you. Now there( pats you on back) ;)

[bomjoon]

lol! seems like I hit a softspot. You get pretty sensitive everytime I bring that up. Oh and I'll be sure to tell Robi that you said he cant drive. Maybe the competition is harder than you think ;)

P.S. you would not have won your class, lol.


normally i dont care if i lose or not. but "that" time has the worst excuse of em all.
"my clutch is slipping."

i cant really go about saying that line cuz thats like the lamest excuse...
which is ture in this case its like saying dog ate my homework when the dog really did.
lol

dude competition wasnt any harder... sure you got ams, topspeed (with a pro diving) like competitors to name a few... :rollyeyes:

i bet your clutch wasnt slipping when you were there. whats yer excuse huh?
:D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

normally i dont care if i lose or not. but "that" time has the worst excuse of em all.
"my clutch is slipping."

i cant really go about saying that line cuz thats like the lamest excuse...
which is ture in this case its like saying dog ate my homework when the dog really did.
lol

dude competition wasnt any harder... sure you got ams, topspeed (with a pro diving) like competitors to name a few... :rollyeyes:

i bet your clutch wasnt slipping when you were there. whats yer excuse huh?
:D

blowing out spark so you cant go wot past 5500rpms. Plus racing against full blown race cars who have alot more in their cars than I do. ^^ I think taking any podium spot is an accomplishment in the Redline Time Attack.

BTW I saw you and Ed and I know the situation. I also saw him jump by like 2cars before your tires moved.

[bomjoon]

Heres a "E" hug for you. Now there( pats you on back) ;)

that ass on your sig makes me happy. :)