Guys I need HELP!!!

[The_Red_Viii]

well i was previous owner an 05 EVO GSR with intake and exhaust...

now i have a BONE stock 03 EVO....

it feels SO much weaker than my 05 which just had an intake and exhaust...

can intake and exhaust really do that much difference in an EVO???

guys please help me to make my EVO stonger:(

[scoobysam]

probably the hotside of the turbo. '03 have a 9.8 hotside and the '05up have a 10.5 hotside. Intake and exhaust wont make that much of a difference unless it's tuned. That's where you make most of it.

[The_Red_Viii]

^ what do you suggest i do man?

[TripperFx3]

Just deal with it for now. You can put the 10.5 hotside on and it's fairly cheap, but you have to pull the turbo, which if your going to do that you might as well, at least, get a IX turbo. An intake and TBE will make a big difference. On Dyno4mances dyno at stock VIII makes anywhere between 205-215. My car (03) with an intake, exhaust and Jestr e-flash made 272AWHP on the same dyno. Thats the 67hp gain and I'm sure there was more if I actually had a full custom tune. Ed (YSLBTT) made a bit more than me with all the same mods plus an aftermarket FMIC on the same dyno and he has an 05 with the 10.5 hotside, so thats why I say just deal with it and get either a IX turbo, FP Green, or just a true big turbo upgrade. Also cams, like with all Evos, will make a huge difference.

[blkonblk2red]

Just deal with it for now. You can put the 10.5 hotside on and it's fairly cheap, but you have to pull the turbo, which if your going to do that you might as well, at least, get a IX turbo. An intake and TBE will make a big difference. On Dyno4mances dyno at stock VIII makes anywhere between 205-215. My car (03) with an intake, exhaust and Jestr e-flash made 272AWHP on the same dyno. Thats the 67hp gain and I'm sure there was more if I actually had a full custom tune. Ed (YSLBTT) made a bit more than me with all the same mods plus an aftermarket FMIC on the same dyno and he has an 05 with the 10.5 hotside, so thats why I say just deal with it and get either a IX turbo, FP Green, or just a true big turbo upgrade. Also cams, like with all Evos, will make a huge difference.

i think that was more of a good tune... that made that much hp... is that crank or whp? because exhaust might give you;
not whp at the crank... i think
if its a catback 10hp (good catback 400-600), TripperFx3 was yours a cat or full TBE?
full turbo back 15-20hp(good tbe 700-900),
intake another 10-15hp (not sure 100-200?)
and i think the rest was a good tune (jestr mail in package 2 150/ or package 1 for 75) about 20-25whp...?
i think the best thing to do is just spend money on the tune... if your tight on money... some people have gained 20whp just by a tune... your car will run better overall... maybe even better gas mileage ... and more of a better powerband... unless all you car about is peak hp numbers...
if money is not an issue... S*** go 2.4 galant block, 37r ( or do everything ryan did :-P)
jk
get a mbc, TBE, intake if you wish... and a most important a tune... and then wait and do the more expensive stuff (cams bigger turbo/ and or port and polish the 9.8 to a 10.5... and re-tune ) fpgreen 1200-1400? cams 600.. depends on springs and retainers if you go that big.... port polish not sure... and install cost... and a retune...

just my .02cents correct me if i'm wrong i might be... :-D but thats what i think...

ps. theblueviii don't worry about that cobalt.. it was just a cobalt... and justin was driving not you... how bad did you/ justin lose by?

[TripperFx3]

Actually the tune wasn't that good. I was logging up to 8 counts of knock on the dyno. Hence why I said I could probably pick up more. The exhaust I had when I did that run was a really good one, at least for flow, but it looked like shit and was too loud and it was the old school Buschur race turbo back.

The only reason I say to just wait and not to do the 10.5 hotside is, unless your doing the labor yourself, your going to have to pull the turbo and do all that crap anyways, so you might as well just save yourself from having to do it twice.

[blkonblk2red]

Actually the tune wasn't that good. I was logging up to 8 counts of knock on the dyno. Hence why I said I could probably pick up more. The exhaust I had when I did that run was a really good one, at least for flow, but it looked like shit and was too loud and it was the old school Buschur race turbo back.

The only reason I say to just wait and not to do the 10.5 hotside is, unless your doing the labor yourself, your going to have to pull the turbo and do all that crap anyways, so you might as well just save yourself from having to do it twice.

nvm then :-D go with what he said :) i just think its wise to spend it on a tune if money is tight... and if you have to choice b\t the three.. exhaust intake and tune... because exhaust is like atleast 600... but all depends on money factors.. if you can do all three its not going to hurt :-D

agreed on the hotside..i'd just wait till upgrading turbo

[The_Red_Viii]

im probably gonna just sell it... i cant believe an 03 is that MUCH weaker than 05...


unbelievable:(

[scoobysam]

If you arent planning on doing that many mods i would just get a tune and mbc. It's good for at least 30whp. My car felt great when i got it with a custom tune..everything else stock. If you have the extra money get a turboback.

[TripperFx3]

There truly isn't that much of a difference between an 03 and 05. It's only like 7hp and 13tq, when compared stock for stock. So there may be something wrong with it, like a F'ed up vacuum line. You may just want to have it checked over. Also, like were telling you, just an intake, exhaust and tune will make a huge difference.

[bigric09]

FYI...

in my 03, i added intake and catback exhaust, no tune, i dropped my 1/4 time by .5

13.1 stock to 12.6

[The_Red_Viii]

Tripper... nothing is wrong with my EVO... I've had it checked many times... I've checked it myself and had friends check it as well... i might just have to try the intake, exhaust and tune... when my money is right... but in the meantime i might just have to settle with downpipe and testpipe will that get me anywhere??

[blkonblk2red]

Tripper... nothing is wrong with my EVO... I've had it checked many times... I've checked it myself and had friends check it as well... i might just have to try the intake, exhaust and tune... when my money is right... but in the meantime i might just have to settle with downpipe and testpipe will that get me anywhere??



well i guess the main question is how much do you have to spend?
200-300? 600-1200?
if you don't have any money just wait... until you do

[TripperFx3]

On the 03's the intake can actually make the car feel slower because it needs to be tuned for. A downpipe might add about 5-10hp, but to be honest I'd just wait to buy a full TBE all at once. EvoM normally has good deals on a full set.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

im probably gonna just sell it... i cant believe an 03 is that MUCH weaker than 05...


unbelievable:(

Its not... My personal car is a 03 Evo and even before my current setup my car made great power. With intake, exhaust, dp, tp, uicp and a piggyback I made 317. I added FMIC, licp, cams, cam gears, and I made 350. Added a FP green, and made 405.

There is nothing wrong with a 03, in fact its lighter than the 05 by a good margin. I believe you will find once you start modding the car the 03 is actually faster than a 05 ;) that is with the right selection of mods.

My advice to you would be not to be in such a rush to mod the car. You just got the car, enjoy the fact that you have another one and mod it as you have the money to do so. I would be more than happy to work with you to help you choose you mods and go the route that will provide you with the most power increase/ best possible setup for your budget.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

If Money Is Not An Issue... S*** Go 2.4 Galant Block, 37r ( Or Do Everything Ryan Did :-p)
Jk


Lol ^

[Hikaru]

Tripper... nothing is wrong with my EVO... I've had it checked many times... I've checked it myself and had friends check it as well... i might just have to try the intake, exhaust and tune... when my money is right... but in the meantime i might just have to settle with downpipe and testpipe will that get me anywhere??

If money is that tight and you need HP reeeeally bad and can't wait then just get a tune and nothing else. It is by far the best HP per dollar you can add. Then save your money and add the rest of your parts and get a retune.

[bigric09]

Its not... My personal car is a 03 Evo and even before my current setup my car made great power. With intake, exhaust, dp, tp, uicp and a piggyback I made 317. I added FMIC, licp, cams, cam gears, and I made 350. Added a FP green, and made 405.

There is nothing wrong with a 03, in fact its lighter than the 05 by a good margin. I believe you will find once you start modding the car the 03 is actually faster than a 05 ;) that is with the right selection of mods.

My advice to you would be not to be in such a rush to mod the car. You just got the car, enjoy the fact that you have another one and mod it as you have the money to do so. I would be more than happy to work with you to help you choose you mods and go the route that will provide you with the most power increase/ best possible setup for your budget.

Please dont take this the wrong way... but none of what you said makes any sense at all. I've dealt with what has to be over 100 evo's varying from 03 to 06... I've had an 03 and 06. Tuned almost every setup possible. I really cant see how an 03 is lighter than an 05 by a considerable margin. The only differences in the 2 is the hotside on the turbo and ACD which really doesnt account for all that much weight. Id have to imagine the difference being less than 50 lbs. Other then that, the cars are the exact same. The numbers you posted for your mods i guess dont matter too much because dyno's read differently. Your gains from before cams to after cams are not that great, but your gain with adding the green was pretty nice. After swapping the turbo out though, you are essentially not able to compare an 03 to an 05 though at that point. Stock to stock, an 05 is considerably quicker. The boost response is better, it doesnt taper as much and it obviously handles a little better with the ACD... Once you start adding mods to get more air into the turbo, she reacts even better. Not to mention the clutches in the 05 seemed to be a lot better as well.

Again, im not talking trash or anything, i guess simply, i just dont agree with your point.

[bigric09]

If money is that tight and you need HP reeeeally bad and can't wait then just get a tune and nothing else. It is by far the best HP per dollar you can add. Then save your money and add the rest of your parts and get a retune.

For this id say buy a MBC with the tune... So much power to be had with just controlling boost. Unless your tuner knows how to control boost with the ECU which i must say sucks and im no good at it lol.

[bomjoon]

i gots a DP i can let go for $50 picked up.

[Hikaru]

For this id say buy a MBC with the tune... So much power to be had with just controlling boost. Unless your tuner knows how to control boost with the ECU which i must say sucks and im no good at it lol.

yeah, I was gonna recommend that as well but it seems like he is having trouble just affording a DP and TP. But charge the $90 boost controller. It is totally worth it.

[bomjoon]

heres what you do.

cut off your exhaust after the cat. if you have one.

and then get it tuned. now you have a almost free flowing exhaust and a tune. :)

or buy my DP and get it tuned w/o catback.

[bomjoon]

j/k if you really wanna go fast invest on a nice suspension. it will not only make you go faster you will enjoy driving more. stock evo is fast enough.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Please dont take this the wrong way... but none of what you said makes any sense at all. I've dealt with what has to be over 100 evo's varying from 03 to 06... I've had an 03 and 06. Tuned almost every setup possible. I really cant see how an 03 is lighter than an 05 by a considerable margin. The only differences in the 2 is the hotside on the turbo and ACD which really doesnt account for all that much weight. Id have to imagine the difference being less than 50 lbs. Other then that, the cars are the exact same. The numbers you posted for your mods i guess dont matter too much because dyno's read differently. Your gains from before cams to after cams are not that great, but your gain with adding the green was pretty nice. After swapping the turbo out though, you are essentially not able to compare an 03 to an 05 though at that point. Stock to stock, an 05 is considerably quicker. The boost response is better, it doesnt taper as much and it obviously handles a little better with the ACD... Once you start adding mods to get more air into the turbo, she reacts even better. Not to mention the clutches in the 05 seemed to be a lot better as well.

Again, im not talking trash or anything, i guess simply, i just dont agree with your point.

I dont take offense to any of that, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. However, saying that none of what I said makes any sense at all is inaccurate. It really depends on what you consider as a considerable margin. I believe the difference in weight is 50-100 lbs depending on if you have the SSL or not. Even considering 50 lbs, from my viewpoint I see that as a considerable margin. Once again if thats not alot to you then I can see how that throws off the point I was trying to get across. The point I was making is that the 03 isnt that much slower than the 05. It is slower, but stock for stock, its not a huge difference. Ive run 03 vs 05 stock for stock many times and on avg I see about a 2car difference from 40-140. Once again this depends on what you consider a considerable amount and obviously alot of that has to do with the driver, but Im just stating what I have seen on avg.

As far as the mods go, your right, they are nothing to brag about, but they are what they are. Those are the numbers I made and nothing I can do to change that. My point in stating that is I wouldnt sell an 03 and get a 05 just because the 05 is faster out of the box. With the proper mods you can easily make up the difference in power and make the 03 every bit as fast as a 05. As far as the ACD perspective, I totally disagree. I dont believe the ACD makes it handle any better. Its in my opinion a completely different driving experience. I actually prefer the non ACD handling Evos over the ones with the ACD. Its completely driver preference.

Just my 2cents and reasoning behind what I previously said. I think it may have been a bit harsh saying none of what I said made any sense at all :) Its just a different perspective and what I/you consider as a considerable margin. :)

[1badevo]

what kind of DPi might be interested

[bomjoon]

its a ttp eng. DP

with a flex in the middle.

[bigric09]

Ive got a perrin DP as well, but not for $50 lol

[bigric09]

I dont take offense to any of that, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. However, saying that none of what I said makes any sense at all is inaccurate. It really depends on what you consider as a considerable margin. I believe the difference in weight is 50-100 lbs depending on if you have the SSL or not. Even considering 50 lbs, from my viewpoint I see that as a considerable margin. Once again if thats not alot to you then I can see how that throws off the point I was trying to get across. The point I was making is that the 03 isnt that much slower than the 05. It is slower, but stock for stock, its not a huge difference. Ive run 03 vs 05 stock for stock many times and on avg I see about a 2car difference from 40-140. Once again this depends on what you consider a considerable amount and obviously alot of that has to do with the driver, but Im just stating what I have seen on avg.

As far as the mods go, your right, they are nothing to brag about, but they are what they are. Those are the numbers I made and nothing I can do to change that. My point in stating that is I wouldnt sell an 03 and get a 05 just because the 05 is faster out of the box. With the proper mods you can easily make up the difference in power and make the 03 every bit as fast as a 05. As far as the ACD perspective, I totally disagree. I dont believe the ACD makes it handle any better. Its in my opinion a completely different driving experience. I actually prefer the non ACD handling Evos over the ones with the ACD. Its completely driver preference.

Just my 2cents and reasoning behind what I previously said. I think it may have been a bit harsh saying none of what I said made any sense at all :) Its just a different perspective and what I/you consider as a considerable margin. :)

With your explanation, it makes a bit more sense....

getting rid of an 03 for an 05 is pointless, but an 03 to 06 wouldnt be.

The weight between the 03 to 05 even with SSL, is still not that much. Im thinking maybe 25 lbs with the ACD pump. It is a small unit. The SSL is basically just adding a sunroof. The sub maybe weighs 5 to 7 lbs. Its miniature. And the 03 depends on if you had the sunroof or not, which was an option, not a package in 03.

The biggest difference though as i mentioned, is not total power, but boost response and boost taper. The 03 is way behind in that category, which is the difference between coming off the line with a good launch w/ 2 step, and the entire run. Id have to say an 03 to an 05 comparison would yield at least .3 to .4 in the 1/4 with the same driver. A flat out pull on the highway wouldnt really show too much because by the time the boost tapers its time to shift gears anyway except when you are running out 5th.

And then there is also the clutch issue between the 03 and 05. Significant difference.

But, ill have to agree, no reason to go from an 03 to 05, especially if modding the turbo is something coming in the future.

However, an MBC and tune in either car will probably pick up about 40 whp Id imagine. Normally if i go stock evo to TBE, Drop in filter and MBC, i usually see gains from 60 to 75 whp over stock.

[bomjoon]

mivec FTW!

[blkonblk2red]

mivec FTW!

i hate it because i don't have it :-P bolt ons it makes like 330to the wheels and non mivec makes 300 :( its always like 30whp higher :-P

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Yep, I cant believe how much stronger my IX MR is than my 03 VIII was stock for stock. I can only imagine that it will get better once the mods start.

[Evolvedgti]

Yep, I cant believe how much stronger my IX MR is than my 03 VIII was stock for stock. I can only imagine that it will get better once the mods start.

I thought we were keeping this one "mild" lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

It will be mild, but I still want to do TBE and a few other goodies. Im not doing anything crazy. I want it to be very streetable, very comfortable to drive.

[blkonblk2red]

and maybe a fp green :-P or a 35r lol you'll prob part the 03 out and put it in the IX and then get a 7 series :-P jk you got the car yesterday and your already getting rid of the exhaust :-p what exhaust are you getting?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

nah I still love the 03 and I hate BMW's, lol! I want to get a Greddy Ti-C TBE. The green has crossed my mind as I ran that previously on my last car and loved it, but Im not going for that power range quite yet. I dont think I'll end up modding this one as fast as I modded the last one.

[Evolvedgti]

nah I still love the 03 and I hate BMW's, lol! I want to get a Greddy Ti-C TBE. The green has crossed my mind as I ran that previously on my last car and loved it, but Im not going for that power range quite yet. I dont think I'll end up modding this one as fast as I modded the last one.

Shit, and you say you have a warrenty until 110K. Didn't ayone tell you, you drive an EVO(read 2), you have NO warrenty! lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol, Im not really concerned about warranty, but it is kinda nice to know that I have one just in case.