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Evolvedgti

06-08-2008, 07:14 PM

I'll start out with the mod list
AEM Intake
ETS 3.5 Intercooler
ETS LICP
ETS UICP
Forge Unos BC
Walboro
Forge RS DV
Buschur 3" w/ High Flow Cat and Bullet Muffler TBE
SMC Alky
Labonte Failsafe

Not to start a war but my initial tune was a Dynoflash Custom Road Tune while in Utah. The baseline tune peak horsepower was 220 at 4000 RPM but from 4250-Redline it was only making approx. 180. This was on a Dyno Dynamics "heartbreaker" after Sharif tuned my Evo my Max was 290.5 That's a 70 horse power gain, just off tuning. When you figure from 4200 it was only making 180 I consider that over 100 horsepower gain. I was running 24-ish psi before, and once it peaked to 27. I now am running 22 and 20 at redline.
The lesson of the day is don't just let any idiot touch your car. My boost controller was connected wrong, that was done by a so called knowledgeable source. Special thanks to Dylan for fixing that. After fixing the boost controller, no other tuning they gained 20 hp. The boost controller was like when originally tuned and no mention was made of it being incorrect. If you have ever have a doubt about taking your car to Forged, doubt no more. The guys treated me with Respect and were AWESOME to work with. I will continue to do business with them and would recommend them to anyone in the market. Also special thanks to Ryan for even telling me about Forged.

Below are some pictures of the day, some taken by me and some taken by Sharif (obviously his are higher quality, but I don't claim to be a professional), and copies of the dyno graphs.

I'm not gonna trade my evo but these are some very respectable Z's
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/001-6.jpg

My car on the dyno
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/005-5.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/004-4.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/forged1.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/forged2.jpg

And the Dyno Graphs

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/John_Evo9.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/John_EvoAF_and_Power.jpg

TripperFx3

06-08-2008, 07:44 PM

Very nice numbers! Rougly 333hp on a dynojet. I'm hoping I'd make around 320 or a DynoDynamics. Hopefully someone in Reno will get an AWD dyno....

Chemwarrior

06-08-2008, 07:56 PM

I can't wait for Sharif to tune mine after I get the GSC S1s installed.

Evolvedgti

06-08-2008, 08:54 PM

I forgot to add that on and off boost is sooooooooooo much smoother

sharif@forged

06-08-2008, 09:47 PM

Hey John, it was great meeting you today, and I am happy that you are pleased with the tune. I am sure it feels like a totally new car!! :)

Let us know if you need anything else, and thank you for the kind words. Next time, it will hopefully be a little cooler than 102F in our shop!!!

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-09-2008, 01:20 AM

Im so glad everything worked out the way it did. I cant believe what a difference Sharif made on your car. As Sharif pointed out, just imagine what it may have done if the temp had been in the 70's!

For those of you who were considering having Sharif tune your car, I think this is all great comparison of what he can do to your car! :)

em1toevo

06-09-2008, 12:21 PM

Those are some very good numbers! Especially with the ambient temp so high. Sharif really seems to know his stuff. Hope you enjoy your newfound power. I bet it feels totally different from the old setup.

Burklow

06-09-2008, 03:13 PM

I may have to look into Sharif doing my next tune further down the road.

em1toevo

06-09-2008, 03:21 PM

I may have to look into Sharif doing my next tune further down the road.

Me too! I am waiting for cams before I get tuned again.

Chemwarrior

06-09-2008, 04:02 PM

I just ordered some GSC S1 cams from JSC and hope to have them here by the end of the week. I'll see about getting them installed and dyno/tuned at Forged the following weekend. It gets excited.

ZIGZAG

06-09-2008, 04:34 PM

Lemme know what kind of price deal they give you. Also looking at the GSC versus the Tomei cams.

I just ordered some GSC S1 cams from JSC and hope to have them here by the end of the week. I'll see about getting them installed and dyno/tuned at Forged the following weekend. It gets excited.

Chemwarrior

06-09-2008, 04:52 PM

I paid $539 shipped.

ZIGZAG

06-09-2008, 05:03 PM

Thanks Bro!

I paid $539 shipped.

Chemwarrior

06-09-2008, 06:27 PM

Here's an update with the S1s. GSC is on a two week back order to manufacture these so I am currently on a holding pattern until they come in. I tried calling many different companies to see if anybody had any in stock, but I got the same two week wait. JSC tried to sell me the S2s but you have to upgrade your valvetrain for those and that isn't something I was looking for. Oh well, I guess I just have to wait the two weeks. DAMN IT!!! Don't people know we are an instant gratification society?

Evolvedgti

06-10-2008, 02:46 PM

Since I had never been dynoed, can someone decipher the torque for me. what was the max wheel tq? and tell me where you are reading that part.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-10-2008, 05:35 PM

looks around 301wtq @ 3750rpms.

Evolvedgti

06-10-2008, 06:48 PM

looks around 301wtq @ 3750rpms.

Thanks ryan. you should see your old tails, I like them alot!

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-10-2008, 07:02 PM

get some pics up man! Can't wait to see them.

TripperFx3

06-10-2008, 07:15 PM

Thanks ryan. you should see your old tails, I like them alot!
What did you do with his old tails? I got some IX's that I traded a guy for straight up. He wanted my blacked out ones and I wanted his IX's :D.

I would have been on over a month wait for the GSC's as those are the ones I was wanting to go with, but had to go with the HKS 272's. Also check EvoM. I've found a bunch on there used for cheap.

Chemwarrior

06-10-2008, 08:39 PM

I really wasn't interested in used cams. Over a month wait for the S1s is kind of long. Did you ask JSC Speed? That's the company I ordered mine through. They also gave me an awesome deal.

TripperFx3

06-10-2008, 08:42 PM

I really wasn't interested in used cams. Over a month wait for the S1s is kind of long. Did you ask JSC Speed? That's the company I ordered mine through. They also gave me an awesome deal.

Yea. I went through everybody. No one had them cause GSC needed to make them.

Chemwarrior

06-10-2008, 08:59 PM

TripperFx3

06-11-2008, 12:43 AM

I know that Greg at GSC is under a backlog for the S1s due to the high demand. Which in my eyes is a good buying point among many. I would rather wait the two weeks to get the S1s as opposed to going another route even though I was also looking at the HKS 272s.

I agree, but my project was already underway and couldn't wait to just have my car sit in the shop for a month.

scoobysam

06-11-2008, 02:26 AM

TripperFx3

06-11-2008, 03:28 AM

I'm going to forged this week (hopefully thurs) for my tune! I hope to put down good power with my cosworth cams. My p0300 codes been coming up and going away like crazy since my cams. i'll post up some results after

My car made 280whp at dyno4mance with just a hallman pro mbc. Now i have a 3" tbe, intake, cams, and walbro. Hopefully i get good gains. I had to change out my hallman boost controller to a forged mbc the other day cause it was shitting on me. Boost would spike past 25psi more and more in 3rd gear. Now my forged holds boost great.

Thats weird for the Hallman. Mines been nothing but great. To be honest you probably could have just taken it apart and it would have been fine. It just seems like the spring was getting stuck. I took mine apart and cleaned it cause it wasn't going over 20psi and now its great.

280 is great with just MBC. I made 272 on Dyno4mances dyno with TBE, intake, and MBC, but thats was with a crappy tune and 9 counts of knock...

Evolvedgti

06-11-2008, 03:29 AM

What did you do with his old tails? I got some IX's that I traded a guy for straight up. He wanted my blacked out ones and I wanted his IX's :D.

I would have been on over a month wait for the GSC's as those are the ones I was wanting to go with, but had to go with the HKS 272's. Also check EvoM. I've found a bunch on there used for cheap.

Well apparently Ryan had blacked out tails, traded them for IX's then traded those for JDM ones, I now have the ones from Dylan who traded Ryan. Big ol circle of trade
Also the first thing Dylan said was your car looks like Tripps now. I dont know if that is a good thing or not!

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-11-2008, 08:03 AM

It is! Tripp's car always looks clean as hell! ;)

scoobysam

06-11-2008, 12:38 PM

Evolvedgti

06-11-2008, 03:25 PM

tripp, i took the hallman apart and cleaned it. I tried to salvage it for 2 weeks until i just got too fed up with it and changed to my extra forged i had. Maybe i didnt clean it good enough. I took the ball out and cleaned it a little...it wasnt dirty at all though.

That is weird. I have the forge unos. like others[ in the beginning] I had the boost problem. I took it apart, cleaned it, and slightly coated it with red bearing grease. Going two and one half years strong. I never had to touch it since. Try that if you have not already.

TripperFx3

06-11-2008, 06:00 PM

lol Glad to know Dylans still thinking of me! I liked the blacked out tails, but like always sometimes its just time for something else. The guy that has mine will trade back out anytime I want.

Sam sorry you had problems with it. Thats the only thing I could think of.

keevo54

06-11-2008, 08:51 PM

Is that all u made with alky or was this a pump gas tune?

Evolvedgti

06-11-2008, 11:15 PM

Is that all u made with alky or was this a pump gas tune?

Yes that is "all". Sharif did a very conservative tune. He felt that people treat alky like race gas when it isnt and have problems. It fine by me as I look toward the future in my mod path. I plan to have a HTA35R some day and the alky will allow me to run hgher boost. I originaly got alky because I was in Utah with 91 piss. You also must remember, this was a low reading dynodynamics in 100+ degree weather. In my eyes, my alky is like cams. I am around what people are making on standard dynos with the same things I have minus alky plus cams. I am happy with it, and that is what matters. it is MY money afterall.

TripperFx3

06-11-2008, 11:18 PM

Yes that is "all". Sharif did a very conservative tune. He felt that people treat alky like race gas when it isnt and have problems. It fine by me as I look toward the future in my mod path. I plan to have a HTA35R some day and the alky will allow me to run hgher boost. I originaly got alky because I was in Utah with 91 piss. You also must remember, this was a low reading dynodynamics in 100+ degree weather. In my eyes, my alky is like cams. I am around what people are making on standard dynos with the same things I have minus alky plus cams. I am happy with it, and that is what matters. it is MY money afterall.
Sounds like I need to get Alky as I'm on 91 pisstane...

em1toevo

06-12-2008, 10:43 AM

I'm so glad that we have better (octane) gas over on the East Coast.

ultm8mind

06-12-2008, 12:36 PM

Just so you guys know I am going to be coming to Augusta. My buddy is coming with me, because we're in the same class and he does tuning, so if anyone needs it, he'll be in Augusta until October. He does street and dyno tuning, he is basically the man.......

keevo54

06-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Yes that is "all". Sharif did a very conservative tune. He felt that people treat alky like race gas when it isnt and have problems. It fine by me as I look toward the future in my mod path. I plan to have a HTA35R some day and the alky will allow me to run hgher boost. I originaly got alky because I was in Utah with 91 piss. You also must remember, this was a low reading dynodynamics in 100+ degree weather. In my eyes, my alky is like cams. I am around what people are making on standard dynos with the same things I have minus alky plus cams. I am happy with it, and that is what matters. it is MY money afterall.

Damn dude no need to get offended. Why risk running alky if ur only gonna run 22psi? Not being a dick or just curious

Evolvedgti

06-13-2008, 09:49 AM

Damn dude no need to get offended. Why risk running alky if ur only gonna run 22psi? Not being a dick or just curious

Really not getting offended! I was just restating what Sharif said. I had that thought cross my mine as well, but figure soon enough I will have cams and run a little more boost.The alky was already on the car. Sharif did very well with my car, so I trust him. Maybe in higher boost, my car was knocking, I dont know. Maybe Sharif can chime in. At this point, I am happy.

em1toevo

06-13-2008, 10:00 AM

Anyway, it's good to know you're tuned well now.

Evolvedgti

06-13-2008, 10:31 AM

Anyway, it's good to know you're tuned well now.

I am tuned well now for sure. before it fell on its face, now it keeps pulling

em1toevo

06-13-2008, 10:39 AM

That's a great feeling. I remember when I got tuned. It was a big difference.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-13-2008, 06:35 PM

Is that all u made with alky or was this a pump gas tune?

Sorry I havnt chimed in earlier Jon. To answer this question, you must first realize that Sharif's dyno is a VERY low reading dyno. 290 on Sharifs dyno very easily will make 320 or more on a standard reading dyno. I believe the alky is being used more as a safely measure to help the motor run healthier than it would on straight pump. It is not really being used to bump the power, so the numbers should reflect that of pump gas numbers, it just runs safer. If I am wrong about this Im sure someone will correct me :) I think Jon's has a very good tune on the car. If it was all about numbers Sharif could squeeze more power out of it, but he tunes on the conservative side in order to help the car run safer. I personally would sacrifice some power for safety aswell. Even with a conservative tune, these numbers are nothing to look down on. You have to look at it as "320+whp" with no cams, thats pretty impressive. Hope this helps!

Evolvedgti

06-13-2008, 09:15 PM

Thank you VERY much Ryan. explained it better than I could ever.Sorry I havnt chimed in earlier Jon. To answer this question, you must first realize that Sharif's dyno is a VERY low reading dyno. 290 on Sharifs dyno very easily will make 320 or more on a standard reading dyno. I believe the alky is being used more as a safely measure to help the motor run healthier than it would on straight pump. It is not really being used to bump the power, so the numbers should reflect that of pump gas numbers, it just runs safer. If I am wrong about this Im sure someone will correct me :) I think Jon's has a very good tune on the car. If it was all about numbers Sharif could squeeze more power out of it, but he tunes on the conservative side in order to help the car run safer. I personally would sacrifice some power for safety aswell. Even with a conservative tune, these numbers are nothing to look down on. You have to look at it as "320+whp" with no cams, thats pretty impressive. Hope this helps!

sharif@forged

06-14-2008, 11:04 PM

Sorry I havnt chimed in earlier Jon. To answer this question, you must first realize that Sharif's dyno is a VERY low reading dyno. 290 on Sharifs dyno very easily will make 320 or more on a standard reading dyno. I believe the alky is being used more as a safely measure to help the motor run healthier than it would on straight pump. It is not really being used to bump the power, so the numbers should reflect that of pump gas numbers, it just runs safer. If I am wrong about this Im sure someone will correct me :) I think Jon's has a very good tune on the car. If it was all about numbers Sharif could squeeze more power out of it, but he tunes on the conservative side in order to help the car run safer. I personally would sacrifice some power for safety aswell. Even with a conservative tune, these numbers are nothing to look down on. You have to look at it as "320+whp" with no cams, thats pretty impressive. Hope this helps!

Well put. Having tuned a few hundred cars over the years (with zero blow ups on the dyno), you get a feeling as to when to stop with the power/tune. The engine also ran a little hotter than I prefer, on the dyno, so I'd like to see some cooling upgrades, and upgraded headstuds before pushing it further. Enjoy!

Bone Stock Evo8's do about 185-205whp on our Dyno Dynamics, and the 9's do about 220whp bone stock..just for reference.

Let me know if you have anymore questions....thanks guys! :)

Evolvedgti

06-14-2008, 11:41 PM

Thanks Sharif!
I will do headstuds when I do cams. I assume you suggest a head gasket as well! Which one( question to everyone).
BTW I did have air in the system, but seems to now be good

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-15-2008, 02:24 AM

Evolvedgti

06-15-2008, 02:32 AM

So you can just add HS' without breaking the seal of the head gasket?

sharif@forged

06-15-2008, 02:52 PM

I never upgraded my headgasket on my last setup. The stocker seems fairly beefy to me. I never had any issues with it. Im not sure that it is really needed. Sharif may have more insight on this than I do though. :)

That's correct...stick with the stock gasket...just upgrade to head studs. :) The HG will be fine during the swap.

TripperFx3

06-15-2008, 05:31 PM

The shop that did all my stuff just recommended doing it while they were in there, so I've got a Cosworth.

Evolvedgti

06-15-2008, 10:54 PM

Thank you all!

Chemwarrior

06-16-2008, 05:50 PM

I just ordered the 3.5" intercooler from ETS to help out with the new cams. I can't wait for all these parts to arrive. Look out Sharif here I come. LOL.

sharif@forged

06-17-2008, 12:07 PM

I just ordered the 3.5" intercooler from ETS to help out with the new cams. I can't wait for all these parts to arrive. Look out Sharif here I come. LOL.

Nice nice!!

em1toevo

06-17-2008, 07:40 PM

Sounds like you'll have some nice gains, Dan. Might as well do it all at once while you're getting tuned.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-17-2008, 10:50 PM

I just ordered the 3.5" intercooler from ETS to help out with the new cams. I can't wait for all these parts to arrive. Look out Sharif here I come. LOL.

Ah! The quest for 300!

ultm8mind

06-25-2008, 10:39 AM

Spend the little bit more on the Cosworth's and while the heads off you mind as well put in the gasket, I can second/ third what was said. The GSC's were in the car I have and the Cosworths are night and day.

Chemwarrior

06-25-2008, 11:00 AM

I'm not trying to get big power like Ryan. I'm just looking for a little bit oomph and after a lot of research the GSC S1's were perfect for what I was looking for.

By the way Ryan, I saw your car yesterday at Forged and Sharif says it should be ready for you for this weekend.

TripperFx3

06-25-2008, 01:55 PM

Chem also has an VIII, not a IX. The Cossies are good for the VIII, but you can get the same/close results with the GSC's w/o having to upgrade the head.

You should notice a nice drop in IAT's when you get the IC. I'm actually logging a few degrees cooler over a Bushcur IC at the same temps with my ETS and the larger turbo.

sharif@forged

06-25-2008, 06:00 PM

By the way Ryan, I saw your car yesterday at Forged and Sharif says it should be ready for you for this weekend.

Sshhhhh..I told him it wouldnt be ready, so I can drive it around town. :)

Chemwarrior

06-25-2008, 06:05 PM

Sshhhhh..I told him it wouldnt be ready, so I can drive it around town. :)

Me and my big mouth ruined it again. :D

Strokedt67

06-25-2008, 07:55 PM

Nice!

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-26-2008, 12:53 AM

Sshhhhh..I told him it wouldnt be ready, so I can drive it around town. :)

lol! So if its not done I know why!

Evolvedgti

06-26-2008, 12:57 AM

lol! So if its not done I know why!

Thats good. Ryan do not forget my ride ;)

BlewByYouEvoVIII

06-26-2008, 01:33 AM

Maybe Sunday! I'll have to see.

Evolvedgti

06-26-2008, 02:03 AM

Ryan check your pm!

krazirob

07-02-2008, 07:57 PM

how can someone hook up a MBC WRONG!!!.......thats like kindergarten level......LOL

glad i never went to AL in the beginning days of my evo!!!!

Evolvedgti

07-03-2008, 08:27 AM

how can someone hook up a MBC WRONG!!!.......thats like kindergarten level......LOL

glad i never went to AL in the beginning days of my evo!!!!

In all fairness, it was not Al that hooked up the MBC. It was this dumbass that I worked with . The main reason I am in an evo now. He went and test drove a rx-7, and I wanted to see what "these evos were about". In my GTI the mbc was inline, so I was green to the double nipple.

sharif@forged

07-03-2008, 11:02 AM

how can someone hook up a MBC WRONG!!!.......thats like kindergarten level......LOL

It happens more often than you would believe. :rolleyes:

krazirob

07-03-2008, 12:19 PM

i figure it wasnt al that messes up the MBC, i was talking about his tune, but wow no matter who hooked the bc wrong they should be fired.....LOL

glad its fixed though thanks to sharif!!

Evolvedgti

07-03-2008, 01:01 PM

yeah big ups to Sharif!

Chemwarrior

07-03-2008, 06:12 PM

I was at Forged today and saw Dylan working on the shop Evo. You better watch out Ryan, it is going to give your car a run for the money. LOL.

em1toevo

07-03-2008, 06:28 PM

Forged has a shop Evo?! What color/model is it? Mods? Fill me in...

Burklow

07-03-2008, 09:27 PM

Forged has a shop Evo?! What color/model is it? Mods? Fill me in...

Apexi Silver VIII I believe...it looks like it is launching. Maybe because there's no engine in it and the front tires sits very high off the ground. :p

Chemwarrior

07-03-2008, 11:01 PM

It is an Apex Silver VIII. Dylan was working on the engine today. They have plans for a big turbo.

krazirob

07-04-2008, 02:32 AM

i think they are only doing a built 2.0 though so in ryans case there is no replacement for displacement......LOL

but you could easily get that 2.0 to beat that 2.3 anytime, but longevity and streetablity may go out the window......!!

em1toevo

07-04-2008, 11:21 AM

Sounds like they are building another monster Evo. I'd much rather have a 2.3 than a 2.0 for the same reasons you mentioned above. Longevity, streetability, and TORQUE are your friends, lol.

BlewByYouEvoVIII

07-04-2008, 01:21 PM

sharif@forged

07-17-2008, 10:25 PM

the shop evo has a built 2.0, full race twin scroll 40r, custom ported head, mild headwork, hks 272s, shep trans, etc, etc. Should be good power but hella lazy. Plus I believe they are going to push that thing until it cant handle any more, lol. I can't wait to see what it does.
Oh yeah.....I will be shocked if we don't destroy something very quickly with the shop Evo....that's why its the shop Evo...LOL.