Interest in a group Dyno Tuning Day?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Hey guys, Ive been talking with Sharif @ Forged about trying to get a day probably in early/mid July exclusively for just EvoAtlanta members to get tuned most likely using ECUflash. Everyone is welcome of course, but we need a solid 5-10 guys who will actually be getting a tune. The rest of you are welcome to throw your car up and do dyno pulls aswell if you dont need a tune. He has already agreed to do a discount price for members. If there is enough interest in this then I can get a date setup for us. I need feedback asap on this to get this moving. Whose interested?


Evo 9 GSC S1 or S2......$540/set
BC stage 2 280....$375/set
Cosworth M1 or M2.....$545/set
HKS 272/280....................$550/set

Evo 8 GSC S1 or S2.....$499/set
BC stage 2 280....$320/set
Cosworth M2..............$510/set
HKS 272/280...................$619/set


Group Buy for Cams:

Dan VIII - HKS 272
Jon IX - Cossie M2 or HKS 272
Sam IX - Cossie M2
Alex IX - BC 280

[TripperFx3]

You know i'd be down if I was in town. Everyone who needs a tune/retune needs to jump on this though

[Chemwarrior]

How much are we talking? Is this for a perfected dyno tune or just for three dyno runs?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

We havnt setup a firm price yet, this is for a full tune, probably looking at around 20ish pulls or so (shot in the dark). Will most likely run around 300 or so, but Im not sure yet.

[Evolvedgti]

I would be down, assuming I am in town. I just freaking got back monday, and some tornadoes have hit again. Damn Mother Nature!

Blew, ask the guy, sharif' [i think] about a boost leak check. I do not have a compressor anymore

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ya, we can do a boost leak test for you easy. I need to get 5 guys who are commited to doing this. I'll try to get a date setup.

[Evolvedgti]

Count me in for a sixth position. That way I can back out. The only way I would though is the inability to come back.

[tvrvic]

I am interested, but it depends on the date since I will be out of town from the 12th-20th and as long as it is an ECUFlash tune.

[ChimpEvOX]

i am willing to go as long as its on a monday =)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I am working with Sharif to try and get an exact date setup. As mentioned before, we are looking at mid July. I will do my best to work around everyones schedules. It will most likely fall on a Saturday, as most people are at work during the week. Vic, it will be ECUflash ;)

[em1toevo]

Sounds fun! Any word on how much this will cost?

[scoobysam]

I'm gonna need a tune soon as well. I'm just trying to save up for cams first. I was gonna have them installed at topspeed and get a tune there. How much does forged charge for cam installs? I think topspeed is 180. If it's around the same then i guess i could have forge install and tune it.

btw, this is for a evo ix

[TripperFx3]

To be honest Sam Topspeeds quality of work seems to have fallen and would only trust Forged to do the work. This is something I've seen steadily happening with Charles who has blown countless motors because of their work and tuning and has since given up on Evos and gone to Supras.

[scoobysam]

charles with the blue evo? I thought he had a gt37 or something now making like 600hp? Does he still have his evo or he has a supra now???:eek:

[TripperFx3]

He went up to a 40r, but was having so many troubles with it. Last I heard he was trying to sell the Evo, but still had it and was just driving the Supra.

[Evolvedgti]

I too am looking at doing cams before I get tuned again. Anybody have experience with Dynoformance? I know they charge 400 each for tune & cam install. Seem high to anybody else, or am I being a puss?

[em1toevo]

I got tuned at Dyno4mance, and Andrew did a good job. I think he knows his stuff until you start running meth.

[Evolvedgti]

I got tuned at Dyno4mance, and Andrew did a good job. I think he knows his stuff until you start running meth.

Thanks for that info, as that puts me out since I am Alky injected. I just want to find someone to install cams AND tune me.

[scoobysam]

thats what i need...cam install+tune

[TripperFx3]

Well Ryan's car was running fine before Dyno4mance installed the meth and tuned for it. When he just had the cams and tune he was running good.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I will talk to Sharif and see if we can get a group discount for cam install/ tune. We can make a weekend out of it, lol. Give me until Tuesday to get an answer as Forged is out of town for the weekend at Z Day.

[Chemwarrior]

I might be interested in getting in on the cam install/tune deal. I need to find some HKS 272's first.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

new or used and whats your price range, ill see if I can find a pair for you.

[tvrvic]

here I was thinking I was only going to do a tune and you guys start talking about cams... I was trying to hold off on them... but if the price is right I may have to give in... I think I hear my credit card crying already! :eek:

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Out of curiosity, what type of cams was everyone interested in getting?

[scoobysam]

i'm trying to get cosworth 272s

[TripperFx3]

For IX's (this comes from experience with the local reno guys) stay with Cossie's or GSC's, for VIII's go with HKS or GSC's. The other cams for the IX's seem to be way to aggressive and seem to idle really rough where as the Cossie's idle like stock with a slight lope every now and then. It could also be due to the 4000ft elevation here.

[Evolvedgti]

For IX's (this comes from experience with the local reno guys) stay with Cossie's or GSC's, for VIII's go with HKS or GSC's. The other cams for the IX's seem to be way to aggressive and seem to idle really rough where as the Cossie's idle like stock with a slight lope every now and then. It could also be due to the 4000ft elevation here.

I was thinking Cossies as well. But Ryan suggested HKS' to me too! Choices choices!

[Chemwarrior]

For IX's (this comes from experience with the local reno guys) stay with Cossie's or GSC's, for VIII's go with HKS or GSC's. The other cams for the IX's seem to be way to aggressive and seem to idle really rough where as the Cossie's idle like stock with a slight lope every now and then. It could also be due to the 4000ft elevation here.

After reading alot on evom I was also leaning towards the HKS 272's or GSC S-1's. Both of them offer nice gains from lower to higher rpms and you don't have to buy supporting mods for them. If I ever decide to get a different turbo it wasn't going to be a giant snail like Ryan is getting so those two cam choices are perfect for it. :D

[em1toevo]

When I get to that step financially, I will be getting HKS 272's.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

It really depends on whether or not you plan on upgrading your head or not. As Ive told other guys before, the HKS's and GSC's are great for the VIII, HKS's and Cossies for the IX's. If you want to do valve springs/retaineres, etc. then go ahead and go with a more aggressive cam such as the tomei or the JUN's. Im also looking into seeing if I can get a group rate on the JUN 264's. I dont believe you have to upgrade the head to run these and they should make great power, let me know if anyone is interested in this option.

[em1toevo]

It really depends on where I'm at financially next year. If I have the extra cash, I will definitely upgrade the head along with the cams.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ok guys Im working to get a group buy up for sure. I need to know from EVERYONE interested type of cam, what duration, and if you own a VIII or IX. I need to know from everyone asap so I can get a good quote for us. Thanks.

[Chemwarrior]

I'm interested in the HKS 272's. I have the VIII, as you already know. LOL.

[Evolvedgti]

I am interested in (1)cossies or (2)HKS'. I have a IX

[scoobysam]

interested in cossie m2 for ix

[Evolvedgti]

interested in cossie m2 for ix

For Cossies, I like the M2's as well

[hope666]

How's about Buddy Club Racing 280's ?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

How's about Buddy Club Racing 280's ?

I'll check into them and see if I can get good pricing on them.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

UPDATE!!!!

Im adding everyone currently interested in the group buy including their cam of choice. Im assuming everyone is looking at 272's or M2's etc. except for Alex who is looking at the BC 280's. If you are looking for a different duration I need to know asap as I am getting this together this week. If I left you out or have your info incorrect let me know thanks. Check 1st page ;)

[scoobysam]

cheapest i found the cosworth m2's is 579 shipped from ttp. I may just charge the cams if the install isnt too much at forged.

[hope666]

UPDATE!!!!

Im adding everyone currently interested in the group buy including their cam of choice. Im assuming everyone is looking at 272's or M2's etc. except for Alex who is looking at the BC 280's. If you are looking for a different duration I need to know asap as I am getting this together this week. If I left you out or have your info incorrect let me know thanks. Check 1st page ;)


I will check with my friend who has contact in buddy club racing too, so maybe he can give us some smoking deal

[blkonblk2red]

VIII GSC S-1's? and is the tune just for evo's? or wrx/sti welcome? i'm about to purchase one... and it needs a tune badly so just wondering thanks

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I can ask about the subbies, but we were just planning on the Evos. You want the S1's not the S2's?

[blkonblk2red]

I can ask about the subbies, but we were just planning on the Evos. You want the S1's not the S2's?

can the stock springs and retainers hold the s2's? if so s2's

only reason i was thinking s1's is because i'm staying stock turbo or evo iX turbo or green... and looking for more of mid range cams not top end... i hardly use top end but like autox... so thinking more of torque then hp and topend...

and didn't know if the springs and retainers would hold... if i go meth...

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I have a meth kit if your interested, ill find out details about the S2's for you aswell.

[scoobysam]

s2's require springs/retainers. s1's are for stock valvetrain.

It looks like i'll be installing my cams by myself or taking it to topspeed. Forged wants too much for cam install. I will be going to forged for a tune after the cams though.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

How much did Forged quote you?

[scoobysam]

600 for 6 hrs of labor...haha

[Evolvedgti]

600 for 6 hrs of labor...haha

That is crazy, dynoformance only wanted 400$. They are looking better and better

[alg626]

400 for cams is still high to me.
180 from Top Speed and 250 from Batlground. That was last year they quoted me.
Cams are not a hard install. Not like major work, not saying they can't screw it up but unlikely.

[Evolvedgti]

400 for cams is still high to me.
180 from Top Speed and 250 from Batlground. That was last year they quoted me.
Cams are not a hard install. Not like major work, not saying they can't screw it up but unlikely.

I thought 400 was high too, but I cant do it, or dont feel comfortable doing it so I may bite the bullet!

[alg626]

Yeah i would have to do the same thing

[scoobysam]

Ok, so i told forged that $600 was way too much so they said that they called topspeed and they said it would take around 3-4 hrs of work. So sharif told me he could do it for $400. Still seems too much so i'm either gonna do it myself or call battleground to see how much they charge.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

$400 is pretty standard actually. I remember when I had mine done it cost me $400 for labor on the cams. I dont feel comfortable at all with Top Speed, their labor is cheap because their quality of work is cheap aswell. I have no personal experience with Battleground, so I cant comment on that. I will talk to Sharif and see about getting a deal. Please leave the pricing up to me as I can usually get us all a better rate if I ask for group pricing over individual pricing. Ive already worked out a group discount for the tuning, so I'll see if I can work something out as far as labor goes.

[Evolvedgti]

Okay, how much did he quote on tuning?$400 is pretty standard actually. I remember when I had mine done it cost me $400 for labor on the cams. I dont feel comfortable at all with Top Speed, their labor is cheap because their quality of work is cheap aswell. I have no personal experience with Battleground, so I cant comment on that. I will talk to Sharif and see about getting a deal. Please leave the pricing up to me as I can usually get us all a better rate if I ask for group pricing over individual pricing. Ive already worked out a group discount for the tuning, so I'll see if I can work something out as far as labor goes.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

We're still working on the details, should be $300 or less, but not certain yet. I believe full ECUflash tunes usually run $400.

[scoobysam]

if its gonna be 300 or less i'm 100% down for the tune. I just ordered my cams (cossie m2) and the timing belt tensioner tool. I'm gonna install the cams on my own. Let me know when the tune date is gonna be so i can make sure i'll be off work. Hopefully it wont be friday or saturday cause i cant get off work those days unless it can be done before 2pm.

[TripperFx3]

I haven't checked this thread in a while, but whoever was looking at the BC 280's needs to think again. Someone here in Reno actually ruined their head (the cam actually BROKE) using those cams and their head needs to be rebuilt.

Sam- Glad to see your tackling it yourself. If the Evo wasn't my only car and I had a house I would do it myself.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

if its gonna be 300 or less i'm 100% down for the tune. I just ordered my cams (cossie m2) and the timing belt tensioner tool. I'm gonna install the cams on my own. Let me know when the tune date is gonna be so i can make sure i'll be off work. Hopefully it wont be friday or saturday cause i cant get off work those days unless it can be done before 2pm.

For a full day to get all of us together, I dont see any other day besides Saturday that we could possibly do it. We can just make sure you are the 1st one to hit the dyno as we will probably start around 9 or 10. Let me know if this works for you.

[Evolvedgti]

I am in for sure on the tune. That is good pricing. I will have to see what you get on cams/install. I want to move in July, so I might not be able to swing those too.

[scoobysam]

For a full day to get all of us together, I dont see any other day besides Saturday that we could possibly do it. We can just make sure you are the 1st one to hit the dyno as we will probably start around 9 or 10. Let me know if this works for you.


i could do that if others dont mind me going first.

[Burklow]

Interested in just the dyno. I'm currently getting tuned by Chris from Mellon. 300+ WHP on a dyno dynamics and I'm a happy camper. :D

[em1toevo]

I might be down just for the dyno. I don't see cams in my immediate future.

[krazirob]

I'm gonna need a tune soon as well. I'm just trying to save up for cams first. I was gonna have them installed at topspeed and get a tune there. How much does forged charge for cam installs? I think topspeed is 180. If it's around the same then i guess i could have forge install and tune it.

btw, this is for a evo ix

NO TUNE FROM TOPSPEED.....just my 2 cents.....i was a victim

[Burklow]

NO TUNE FROM TOPSPEED.....just my 2 cents.....i was a victim

So was my neighbour who used to have a RR VIII. Now he has a WW IX with an exhaust.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ok guys here is the deal. It will be $700 for cam install and tune. This breakdown is $350 for install and $350 for the tune. The tune usually runs $400 and the install rate is usually $400, so me/Forged are saving you $100 on this. Sharif is also going to get pricing for me, he said he is willing to sell them at his cost, which will be very cheap. Let me know for sure who is onboard for this and what timeframe you guys are looking at.

[scoobysam]

damn, i just ordered cams and the timing belt tensioner. I'll just install the cams on my own and get the tune from forged. I'll be ready for the tune in the beginning of june.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ok, sounds good. I need to know from everyone else that you are on board with this for sure and give me the goahead to get the cams ordered. I will get the exact price listed before anything is officially ordered.

[Burklow]

Any idea how much just the dyno runs would cost? $45 is my guess.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

probably $40 ;)

[em1toevo]

^^ Then, I'm definitely down for the dyno.

[Burklow]

^^ Then, I'm definitely down for the dyno.

Yeah, that's a good price. Some places are like $65 or so for 3 runs on a dyno day.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ya, we will be doing a dyno day a different day from the install/tuning group buy. Probably mid July we will have an exclusive EvoAtlanta Dyno Day, no 350Z or G35's allowed, lol. Ive already got this setup with Sharif ;)

[Burklow]

Ya, we will be doing a dyno day a different day from the install/tuning group buy. Probably mid July we will have an exclusive EvoAtlanta Dyno Day, no 350Z or G35's allowed, lol. Ive already got this setup with Sharif ;)

No 350Zs? Alex would be crushed. Well, actually I think that 200 WHP dyno sheet already did him in...:(

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I can make an exception for Alex and Michael as they are good friends of mine and Forged. ;)

[Burklow]

I can make an exception for Alex and Michael as they are good friends of mine and Forged. ;)

That's good news! But they should have gotten red and blue Evos. Tisk tisk tisk...

Will you be attending their next Canton meet? I think it is the same date as the next Varsity meet.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I will be there if my car is done, which it should be :)

[Evolvedgti]

I am in for the dyno/tune for sure. I will just see if things work out for me money wise for the cams. It normally does, I am blessed like that.

[scoobysam]

when exactly is the tune date? I'm getting my cams today and probably install them this weekend or so. I just want to know how long i have to drive untuned.

[Evolvedgti]

you doing the install yourself

[em1toevo]

I wouldn't try installing cams by myself. I feel like I would mess something up, and I definitely wouldn't install them without getting tuned immediately.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I believe Sharif said he will be ready to tune them anytime after next weekend, but I will double check with him tonight.

[scoobysam]

i'm pretty sure i can do the install myself. I used to pull the motor and rebuild it by myself back in my turbo si days. Cams arent that difficult to install. I was just to lazy to do it thats y i was gonna pay someone if it was cheap. But since i'd rather save myself 350 i'll just suck it up and do it myself.

blewbyyou....let me know when he can tune if you get a chance to ask him. I'm gonna install them hopefully saturday night. I'll just try to drive the car less and easy. Should be ok until tuned.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ok guys, here are the prices on the cams that I have gotten through one of my vendors. I think the prices are very good. Let me know which set each of you wants. If you dont think the prices are good let me know. I am trying to get a headcount on these asap to get them ordered for you guys. I went through a great deal of work to get this together for you guys. I dont need cams, lol! I want to make this group buy worthwhile for my vendor. Buy up!

Evo 9 GSC S1 or S2......$540/set
BC stage 2 280....$375/set
Cosworth M1 or M2.....$545/set
HKS 272/280....................$550/set

Evo 8 GSC S1 or S2.....$499/set
BC stage 2 280....$320/set
Cosworth M2..............$510/set
HKS 272/280...................$619/set


If you go to GSC S2's you need to change the springs and retiners GSC or Brian Crower in CrMo $215/set

[Chemwarrior]

Those are very good prices. Ryan, do you have one vendor that you go through for all those or many? I did some asking around as well and only one company was able to get me a price similar to yours for the GSC S1s. I got a quote of $495 shipped, so that's not too far off of yours. I need to think about it if I still want to spend that amount of money when times are financially tight. The problem isn't buying the cams, it's all the supporting purchases that go along with it. You have to get them installed and then get a tune as well. I could install them myself but I would have to wait until I drove up to my house, but I would have to purchase some special tools for that and then the cost of the tune would only add to it. Let me think on it and I will get back with you.

[scoobysam]

that's a badass deal on cams. I've looked everywhere before i got mine and they were no where as cheap this. I just paid $575 for mine from speed element.

[Burklow]

The Brian Crower cams are dirt cheap, but I know almost nothing about them. After everyone gets theirs installed and dynoed, I want to hear and see the differences between set.

I was pretty sold on Cosworth M2s (for whenever I do cams a few months down the road), but now I think I want something a little more aggressive.

[Evolvedgti]

Ryan, What I didnt tell you before is I (at this point) got duped into buying a BC exhaust cam 280 for a "good price" thinking I could get the mivec intake separately. nonone I have found will separate them. can you vendor get me the MIVEC intake 280 duration, and if so how much? I know about the springs and retainers?

[scoobysam]

ok, i'm ready for the tune. I just finished installing my cams. Wasnt too bad at all. Only problem i came across was that mivec 14mm hex cap. I bought some shitty socket at autozone that stripped it a little..sucked so i returned it. Went to northern and found a better one and it came right off. After that everything went smooth. Idle is badassss :D

Only problem i need to fix is my boost controller now. My hallman pro mbc keeps overboosting every once in a while to past 26psi. I have 2 other mbc's so i'll try one of the others. I'll try my forge one tomo.

[Strokedt67]

Well if my car is back down to GA in time for this I might just show up to make a pull.

What kind of dyno is it? Dynojet?

If this happens towards the end of July I won't be able to do it because I'll be in Jamaica.

[Chemwarrior]

Forged uses a Dyno Dynamics.

[Burklow]

Forged uses a Dyno Dynamics.

It's pretty low reading, but if we all slap our cars on the same dyno, we will have an equal means of comparison. His dyno dynamics is 5% lower than a dynojet, I believe?

[Chemwarrior]

Their dyno reads way low. I only dynoed 220 whp and this is with all of my supporting mods.

[Burklow]

Their dyno reads way low. I only dynoed 220 whp and this is with all of my supporting mods.

That's crazy low. You should be making 300+ WHP on a dynojet, yes? Boost levels?

[Chemwarrior]

I peak at 22 and taper to 19. I was doing the math and if they read 10% lower than a normal low reading Dyno Dynamics then I actually made ~315whp.

[Burklow]

I peak at 22 and taper to 19. I was doing the math and if they read 10% lower than a normal low reading Dyno Dynamics then I actually made ~315whp.

That sounds right for a VIII. I see your future mods list. Cams will really help you a lot more than me. One guy on EvoM gained 1 WHP from cams on his IX. He was pissed and he could care less about the boohoodles of torque he now had. Given, this is a rare exception. IXs do fine with cams and make power, but I think VIIIs do better with them.

[1badevo]

ill do it if its on a sat

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

that's a badass deal on cams. I've looked everywhere before i got mine and they were no where as cheap this. I just paid $575 for mine from speed element.

I told you to hold off on the cams until I had pricing! Sorry you missed out. PM me asap, I have a KILLER proposition for you.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

It's pretty low reading, but if we all slap our cars on the same dyno, we will have an equal means of comparison. His dyno dynamics is 5% lower than a dynojet, I believe?

Sharif told me avg 12-15% lower than dynojet numbers, and the higher hp the more low reading it gets. For example they just had a Z that dyno'd 720 on their dyno and then went down the street and dyno'd on a dynojet and put down 890 or so. That like 20% or so... Just FYI.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ill do it if its on a sat

it will indeed by on a Saturday ;) Are you interested in cams?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I peak at 22 and taper to 19. I was doing the math and if they read 10% lower than a normal low reading Dyno Dynamics then I actually made ~315whp.

How do yo figure? Where I agree that with your mods you should be putting around 315, I dont see how you calculated that. Forged's Dyno is only supposed to read 12-15% lower than a standard dynojet, meaning you would be putting down 246.6-253 dyno jet numbers.

If it reads 10% lower than a standard Dyno Dynamics, then that would be 22-25% lower than a standard reading dynojet. With this formula your power would be 268.4-275.

My input... the low numbers are a result from no tuning. I think a simpe tune would pick up 40whp which would put you right where you should be.

[Chemwarrior]

I've actually been tuned by Chris Mellon and TTP so the simple tune has already been done. It's definitely time for cams though. When I get that done I'm looking at driving over to Memphis to have Chris do a thorough tune. Ryan, is Sharif doing your tune?

[riCh4G63]

Im pretty much down, I should have some parts coming in shortly and I will def. need a retune. Did you get the prices all figured out? how many pulls?

[Chemwarrior]

ok, i'm ready for the tune. I just finished installing my cams. Wasnt too bad at all. Only problem i came across was that mivec 14mm hex cap. I bought some shitty socket at autozone that stripped it a little..sucked so i returned it. Went to northern and found a better one and it came right off. After that everything went smooth. Idle is badassss :D

Only problem i need to fix is my boost controller now. My hallman pro mbc keeps overboosting every once in a while to past 26psi. I have 2 other mbc's so i'll try one of the others. I'll try my forge one tomo.

Would you be willing to help me install my cams if I drove to your place? I've read the write ups and have seen the video on evom and it looks fairly simple. The problem is that all of my tools are at my house in Tennessee. Care to help a fellow Evo brother out? I could bring the beer. :D

[Chemwarrior]

Ryan,

When could you get the GSC S1s in from your vendor?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I'll contact him asap for you ;) And yes, he is doing my tune. Sharif is one of the best tuners in the country in my opinion. He is just more familiar with Z's and G's. If you havnt kept up with my build, its putting down 371 on Sharif's dyno on 15psi with 0 counts of knock, I assure you he is a good tuner. ;)

[Chemwarrior]

Sounds like a winner.

[em1toevo]

15psi is practically yawning for your car, Ryan. I can't wait to see when it really wakes up.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

ya, its funny to think about the fact that I will be pushing 3x the boost.

Brett I need to know if you are free Sunday, I need a favor/will hook you up ;)

[em1toevo]

I think I'm working 8-4 on Sunday. If I can help after 4, I would be more than happy to! I'll double check my schedule today, but I think that's right. It's never the same each week. Kinda aggravating.