Very bad news for my Evo

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

As a few of you know, I had a big problem last Friday night that ended up with the Evo on a flatbed. I was optomistic that the problem would be minor. However, after further inspection it looks more serious. The car will be towed up to Forged on Wednesday where the entire motor will be removed and disassembled. I am not entirely clear of the exact problem as of this moment, but everything points to a major botom end problem. I did not think it was anything major since I did not hear anything break on the car and did not hear any rattling noises. No engine light, nothing. Just lost power. We did a compression test on Sunday and it read 160, 160, 50, 0. So it looks major. It looks like my car will be down for around 2months. I already have significant plans for the new motor. It was unfortunate that this happened. I dont want to give too much away quite yet, but I'll leave you with 3 letters. A M S

[TripperFx3]

As a few of you know, I had a big problem last Friday night that ended up with the Evo on a flatbed. I was optomistic that the problem would be minor. However, after further inspection it looks more serious. The car will be towed up to Forged on Wednesday where the entire motor will be removed and disassembled. I am not entirely clear of the exact problem as of this moment, but everything points to a major botom end problem. I did not think it was anything major since I did not hear anything break on the car and did not hear any rattling noises. No engine light, nothing. Just lost power. We did a compression test on Sunday and it read 160, 160, 50, 0. So it looks major. It looks like my car will be down for around 2months. I already have significant plans for the new motor. It was unfortunate that this happened. I dont want to give too much away quite yet, but I'll leave you with 3 letters. A M S

Damn! I guarantee you blew the piston rings... This makes me nervous about my next stage of upgrades... lol Glad everythings going to work out. Let us know what the final verdict is.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Thats a high possibility. The piston rings are my guess as of now. You have to realize I had twice the power that mitsubishi designed the motor for, in all honestly it was only a matter of time until something went. I had originally planned on building the motor over the summer, unfortunately I didnt make it that long :(

[em1toevo]

I hate to hear that it is more serious than you hoped. Poor sick little Evo. All it needs to get better is a healthy dose of AMS engine upgrades.
"Doctor, Doctor we have an emergency! Get in here stat-we need this Evo breathing again quick since it just got Advan RS rims that it can't pimp!! Quick, pass me the built stroker motor....good now pass me.....she's alive!! We can now destroy unsuspecting V8's with the slightest blip of the loud pedal."

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol my thoughts exactly. Im assuming it will be down for around 2months or so. I have to get everything ordered and hopefully it wont take too long to get them in.

[em1toevo]

Ryan, are you going to have to get a dd in the mean time?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Im not sure. I would like to get one, but Im not sure if I can afford one without pushing back the repair of the Evo. I would have to find something for 1-2K that isnt going to fall apart on me.

[TripperFx3]

Im not sure. I would like to get one, but Im not sure if I can afford one without pushing back the repair of the Evo. I would have to find something for 1-2K that isnt going to fall apart on me.
I was gonna ask that. How are you gonna get around without the Evo?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

as for now, borrowing the gf's car and bumming rides everywhere. kinda sucks for the time being.

[2pt5RS]

damn dude...that sucks!!!


go to craigslist and buy a beater car or truck for ~750....you can find some cars that are awesome, just people want to get rid of them.....that's what I plan on doing in the next month or so.

[em1toevo]

If you ever need a ride-just call me.

[Alex]

Sucks! Did you punch a hole in the block? I guess in the meantime you could buy a STi :)

I wish you and the car the best of luck in a speedy recovery. Keep us updated Ryan!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

The car is currently at Forged Performance off of 41. I dont know the exact problem quite yet. I should know sometime next week exactly what happened. Either way, I have already decide the path that I will be taking with the car. Its going to cost me a fortune, but when I get it back it will be an absolute beast. Ill keep everyone updated as soon as I know anything else. I'll check out craigslist and see whats out there. If everything goes to plan I should have the car back in 6weeks.

[em1toevo]

That's the price you pay for one of the baddest Evos around.:D

[TripperFx3]

The car is currently at Forged Performance off of 41. I dont know the exact problem quite yet. I should know sometime next week exactly what happened. Either way, I have already decide the path that I will be taking with the car. Its going to cost me a fortune, but when I get it back it will be an absolute beast. Ill keep everyone updated as soon as I know anything else. I'll check out craigslist and see whats out there. If everything goes to plan I should have the car back in 6weeks.

Thats not too long of a turn around time! Glad I was there to drive it with the 20g! :D Just wondering if you were running meth when the damage occurred?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Maybe... :D.... I may have been doing a little bit over the limit too...

[TripperFx3]

Maybe... :D.... I may have been doing a little bit over the limit too...

lol I'm still debating on if I should run meth or not. When should you have word on what the problem was?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Sometime next week. Meth actually helps to make the car run safer if its used at a reasonable boost level. I believe where I had my problem was that I was at high boost under full throttle in the cold. Its highly likely the high boost caused a problem. The boost didnt spike, but the meth is tuned for 27psi, which is probably on the high side.

[TripperFx3]

Sometime next week. Meth actually helps to make the car run safer if its used at a reasonable boost level. I believe where I had my problem was that I was at high boost under full throttle in the cold. Its highly likely the high boost caused a problem. The boost didnt spike, but the meth is tuned for 27psi, which is probably on the high side.
I knew it was 27 or 28 psi and I was talking to the guy that runs the local "evo shop" (did my clutch) and was telling him about it and he was saying that 27-28psi with the 20g on 93 and meth even seemed a little high, but I thought your AFR's were safe. I remember seeing your sheet and they were around 11-11.5.

[ZIGZAG]

Really sorry to hear that Bro! Touch bases with Cleve at Car Nutz. He just bought an Evo IX engine, complete, which he's going to heavily mod. BTW Topspeed sorted out his 511whp MR stock track monster, which he's racing using that pump available ethanol....beats the hefty C16 price for sure.
Touch bases with ED or myself and we'll take you over to see him some time.
In the mean time, hang in there bro.





The car is currently at Forged Performance off of 41. I dont know the exact problem quite yet. I should know sometime next week exactly what happened. Either way, I have already decide the path that I will be taking with the car. Its going to cost me a fortune, but when I get it back it will be an absolute beast. Ill keep everyone updated as soon as I know anything else. I'll check out craigslist and see whats out there. If everything goes to plan I should have the car back in 6weeks.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Tripp, my AFR was 10.6 across the boards. As for the other shop, I would definitely be interested in checking them out, but I have already given my business to Forged for the current project. I have had alot of work done there in the past and have nothing but good things to say about their shop and staff. My car is currently up there as we speak. I guess there is no reason for hiding my intentions...

I will be going with a AMS 2.3RR motor. This is the road race motor ( hence the RR). This motor gives you the benefits of the stoker motor, but can still rev up to around 9K, so you dont sacrifice the high end power of the 2.0. You can tell by the price of this motor that this is not going to be a cheap project (8K just for the botom end) and I will also be doing the AMS ported race head, JUN 272/272 cams and top it off with the HKS FCON V-Pro standalone.

I am hoping my net results will be close to 500whp on a dynojet on 93+meth. I dont know if these expectations are realistic, but I think I can get there. With my old setup I hit 405/385. The stroker is supposed to add 10-15%(40-60), the JUN cams tested by AMS picked up 60whp when tested on the 42R, I expect around 35 or so considering I have a smaller turbo, the ported race head should add a handful although I am not sure how much, and of course I expect to pick up a bit with the F-Con. As stated before, I not sure I will hit 500, and if I dont, I wont be upset, but I think my expectations are obtainable.

Dylan, feel free to chime in if you have any input on what you think my final numbers will be. He will be the one looking after my car. One thing is for sure though, upon completion, it will be one BAMF.

[em1toevo]

I feel that would be a good estimate on your projected power. That engine will be able to handle a lot of abuse, that's for sure. I can't even imagine the power difference! I know that it will be significant.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

With this exact setup and a 37R(which I will add at a later date) AMS got 638 out of 93+meth. I know the 37r will add a good bit, but I still believe my estimates should be close.

[TripperFx3]

With this exact setup and a 37R(which I will add at a later date) AMS got 638 out of 93+meth. I know the 37r will add a good bit, but I still believe my estimates should be close.

Your crazy... You and Charles will be neck and neck soon... lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ya, except for the fact that I will spool up around 4K when he has to wait till 5.5K, oh and I will have 15% more torque then he will... Oh, and I can track my car when all he can do is drag... Oh, and My engine is built by AMS when his is my Buschur :( ... But your right, besides that, pretty close. ;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Oh... also forgot to add that on Race gas this setup hits close to 800whp... but besides that... pretty close :D

[TripperFx3]

A little bitter are we? lol Your right though. His 2 litre high-rev engine (I just mean he goes to 11k or so to spool his turbo which you wont need) really is only good for drag/hwy. Plus even though his motor his built hes gone though 4+ engines lol.

[YSLBTT]

damn that sucks... hope you get her back soon. i know whats its like not having a car for almost 2 months :( i looked at her sit and wanted to drive her pretty bad lol

anyway, good luck, let me know if theres anything i can do.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

A little bitter are we? lol Your right though. His 2 litre high-rev engine (I just mean he goes to 11k or so to spool his turbo which you wont need) really is only good for drag/hwy. Plus even though his motor his built hes gone though 4+ engines lol.

lol he was just an ass to me the last time I talked to him. Personally I think its stupid to make an Evo a highway only car. If your only going to do highway pulls go and buy a Supra. Why buy a rally car for higway pulls? The Evo isnt incredily aerodynamic at high speed and the gearing isnt good for it either.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

damn that sucks... hope you get her back soon. i know whats its like not having a car for almost 2 months :( i looked at her sit and wanted to drive her pretty bad lol

anyway, good luck, let me know if theres anything i can do.

Ya, I want to drive her soooo bad lol. Thanks for the support.

[em1toevo]

I know exactly what you and Ed mean. It was torture looking out at my Evo and waiting for my bones to heal. I would hobble out there on my walker and just sit inside her. It was very therapeutic for me. A goal to work toward...

[em1toevo]

So, any updates yet?

[YSLBTT]

i talked to ryan yesterday and he's doing an insane set up, but i will leave you guys wondering and let him tell you about it.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

No update yet, everything will start next week, ordering a ton of stuff on monday or tuesday.

[em1toevo]

It will be worth the wait! I can't wait to hear it fire up the first time...

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

You and me both man. I stopped by the shop today just to look at it... It made me sad again :(

[mike.p]

damn i rember reading about the 2.3rr.....BALLLLEEEERRRR!!! yeah me and you will be fighting for charles spot!!!!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol, ya man. the 2.3RR will be a huge step up from the bone stock motor. I think I will take you once I get the new turbo and Intake manifold, until then I think ill be playing catchup. Im somewhat unsure of what kind of numbers I will put down with the FP Green 20G-LT. For the record I will still be using meth ;)

[mike.p]

oh dont worry i wont be rockin the 35r for long!! ill be running the 42r soon enough!!!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

O Snap! I think the way things will work out will be like this:

You own me hardcore in drag/highway pull
Mine owns yours on track hardcore

Unless however you have some crazy setup that allows a 42R to be a badass road race setup.

When do you plan on being done with this? I would love to come over to your shop to watch the dyno tests/ road tests ;)

[mike.p]

i hoping the car will be up by march 1st..we are hoping for 600-650hp w/ the 35r and the stock ported intake mani and throttle body.. that will leave us something to work towards......42r, sheetmetal intake and throttle body and better turbo mani

[mike.p]

when are you expecting yours to be done??? i cant wait to see it...

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

early April except for the fact thatI dont have the money to finish off the 37R and the intake manifold. So in short the AMS 2.3RR, the AMS Ported Race Head, JUN cams, and the F-Con will all be done by early April. Hopefully by fall I will be able to afford the 37R and the Intake manifold.

[TripperFx3]

early April except for the fact thatI dont have the money to finish off the 37R and the intake manifold. So in short the AMS 2.3RR, the AMS Ported Race Head, JUN cams, and the F-Con will all be done by early April. Hopefully by fall I will be able to afford the 37R and the Intake manifold.

I hate you...

[em1toevo]

That makes 2 of us, Tripp!


Poor folks FTL!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I hate you...

Awww Tripp... no need to hate, ill take you for a ride when your in town. :D

[TripperFx3]

Awww Tripp... no need to hate, ill take you for a ride when your in town. :D

Show off... lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol, well hey if you want to buy my green I may sell it now and get the 37 :D

[Alex]

Sounds like someone is going to be having some fun :)

[em1toevo]

*waits patiently*

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

haha, ya im a bit impatient, but I kinda want to get the engine stuff done

[TripperFx3]

Im still waiting to hear on what happened to the engine. lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ok, here it is. After inspection from the guys at Forged (Dylan and Sharif) it has been concluded that the engine experienced detonation. This was most likely a bad methanol map (tune). I never experienced an issue while on the pump map, I had only used the meth map once before the death pull :( I have no doubt that it was the tune.

To make things worse it appears that my clutch is going out aswell. I got the ACT used and it last me a year. I will be going with the Carbonetics Carbon/Carbon tripple disc clutch. In addition to this I will be sending off the transmission to be built by Sheppard. Im going to do the 4.11 final drive on it aswell. I have already done the T-Case, might aswell do the Tranny while the engine is out of the car.

[TripperFx3]

Ok, here it is. After inspection from the guys at Forged (Dylan and Sharif) it has been concluded that the engine experienced detonation. This was most likely a bad methanol map (tune). I never experienced an issue while on the pump map, I had only used the meth map once before the death pull :( I have no doubt that it was the tune.

To make things worse it appears that my clutch is going out aswell. I got the ACT used and it last me a year. I will be going with the Carbonetics Carbon/Carbon tripple disc clutch. In addition to this I will be sending off the transmission to be built by Sheppard. Im going to do the 4.11 final drive on it aswell. I have already done the T-Case, might aswell do the Tranny while the engine is out of the car.
Yet again... I hate you... lol As far as the Shep trans goes its awesome! Not sure about the 4.11, but a friend out here has his trans built by Shep and its smooth as butter!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Im trying to prepare for when I get the 37r. You have to realize, when you have over 500whp, 1st gear is worthless, 2nd is not what it should be, and so on. Oh, and it accelerates slowly up top. The 4.11 allows for a higher top speed, helps to use 1st and 2nd more, etc. On methanol the 37r will put over 625whp with my seteup, race gas will be 750-800. These numbers will just roast the tires in 1st and 2nd on the stock tranny, that is if it doesnt tear the stock tranny apart.

[mike.p]

hell yeah man.. i cant wait to see it when its done... on another note i will be getting my carbonetics triple carbon clutch tomorrow....FOR FREEEEEE... gotta love sponsorships..lol i will still be on stock tranny and transfer case though see how long that lasts

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Wow, can you get me one for free? lol I really dont have the money to buy one but am kinda in a situation where I have to :( Let me know how you like the carbonetics. Possibly do a writeup for us?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Dyno4mance has really dropped in my book as a quality shop. Some of you may have noticed that I used to rave about Andrew and the shop up there. My recent experiences up there have been nothing to brag about. As much money as I have spend up there you would think Andrew would treat me like a top notch customer. He has recently blown me off several times and to be honest I have not been impressed with the quality of work or customer service that I have received from him.

You will notice that I have moved my business from Dyno4mance to Forged Performance. I have decided to do this for a few reasons. First off, when my engine went out, my first reaction was to take the car up to Dyno4mance. I called Andrew the next day and explained to him the situation. He told me it would be minimum of 2 weeks before he would have a chance to take a look at it. This was just unacceptable to me. I wasnt asking him to fix it on the spot, I just wanted to find out what the problem was with the car. I talked to Sharif the following day and he told me he would be happy to start on the car right away. This was not the only reason that I took my car to Forged. In recent weeks I talked to Andrew several times about the setup that I wanted to go with and talked with him about details about costs, downtime, tuning, etc. He acted as if I was asking him annoying questions and that I was one of those customers who always talked about doing things but never acted on them. I think my mods over the last year speak for themselves as far as how serious I am about modding the car. When I talked to Sharif on the other hand, he was very encouraging about my setup and seemed very excited about the chance of working on the car. Finally I compared the work I have had done at each of these shops. In the past I have had several mistakes take place at Dyno4mance, simple stuff mostly such as Wesley( the main mechanic at Dyno4mance) dropping O-Rings and other miscellaneous parts in the engine bay, not putting my bov back together properly, etc. Forged has been flawless on the other hand. The last part of my decision was the tuning I was going to be going with in the future. Andrew told me he is no longer supporting the Vishnu Xede. It didnt make sense for me to use anything less of a Standalone with this new setup anyways. My decision was between the AEM EMS or the HKS FCon. Pretty easy decision in my opinion. Fcon runs better, tunes better imo, and you can pass emissions with it.

[mike.p]

dang man..that is the one of the main things i am concerned with over here at our shop...customer service and quality. i would bend over backwards for a customer..and to here your stories of dyno4mance is absolutly unacceptable

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

**Current Standing of the Car**

As stated earlier, the diagnostic of the motor shows evidence of detonation. This just makes me feel better about my decision to take my car to Forged. I strongly believe that Sharif will be a better tuner who will take care of my car. I am really excited about working with the guys at Forged. Back to the standing of the car...

On Friday everything starts. I will be officially ordering the AMS 2.3RR motor, sending my head to AMS to have it race ported, and sending off my tranny to Sheppard. Im glad I will finally get the ball rolling on everything that will be taking the majority of the time on getting my car finished.

**Additional parts that will be included**

I will be buying other parts that are needed to complete my setup. The major stuff will be started on Friday as stated above. However, as with anyone else, I simply just dont have the money to buy everything at once. To complete the car I will also be purchasing he following parts:

Carbonetics carbon/carbon tripple disc clutch
AMS VSR Intake manifold (polished)
AMS Fuel Rail
AMS UICP w/ Tial BOV
AMS Small Battery
1000CC Injectors
CBRD Radiator
JUN 272/272 Cams

I also have a Megan turbo manifold and o2 housing that are lying around. These will be put on the car at the same time.

**Additional Comments**

After all of the events over the past month or so I have been really impressed with Forged Performance. After dropping my car off a few weeks ago Sharif actually thanked me for bringing my car to them. He seemed really excited to work on my car. Im pretty good at reading people and he seemed genuine in his excitement. I also feel much better knowing that Dylan will be working on my car instead of Wesley. I feel like my car is in much better hands now. Sorry for th novel you guys had to read ;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

dang man..that is the one of the main things i am concerned with over here at our shop...customer service and quality. i would bend over backwards for a customer..and to here your stories of dyno4mance is absolutly unacceptable

The crazy thing is the fact that Dyno4mance has a reputation of being one of the shops with the best customer service. I think Andrew just figured he had my business and that I wasnt going anywhere since I had brought him so many customers in the past. In my opinion you should go out of your way to take care of the customers who represent you the most and bring you business. Mike, I still need to find a time to come by and see your shop. Are you guys open on Saturdays?

[mike.p]

yeah we sure are...heck we are open about every day..lol...all i know is your car is going to be amazing!!! i need to post up some pics of our t3 mani...it kinda based off the fullrace but the runner design is alittle diff and cost a hella lot less..lol i am going to be running the proto on my car and test it out..after that if anyone is interested i will give yall the hookem up!!!!;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Awesome man. Unfortunately for the time being I am using the FP Green turbo, which used the stock style manifold. Dont get me wrong, its a great turbo, but I think it will hold me back a bit as far as peak performance.

I may try and come out that way on Saturday, would love to see your shop and your car. Are you guys terribly busy Saturday or should I come another time? Ill need to get an address to get out there aswell ;)

[em1toevo]

I hate that all that happened the way it did with dyno4mance. However, I don't blame you for a minute. The customer is #1, period. That's why he is in business. It really pissed me off that Andrew had time to fly to the west coast with a friend to pick up an Evo X instead of taking care of you when you really needed him. That speaks volumes to me.

[em1toevo]

Anyway, I am so excited to hear how everything is coming together. That clutch will be sick! Your car will be bulletproof after this build. I really think it will feel like a different car. Since you are going with the tial bov, what are you going to do with the HKS? Were you running the EIDS kit to stabilize your idle?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I hate that all that happened the way it did with dyno4mance. However, I don't blame you for a minute. The customer is #1, period. That's why he is in business. It really pissed me off that Andrew had time to fly to the west coast with a friend to pick up an Evo X instead of taking care of you when you really needed him. That speaks volumes to me.

Ya, after hearing about him flying out to the west coast, as being part of the reason he couldnt help me, he lost any possibility of me taking my car back to him ever, im sure il still go up there with friends on occasion though.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Anyway, I am so excited to hear how everything is coming together. That clutch will be sick! Your car will be bulletproof after this build. I really think it will feel like a different car. Since you are going with the tial bov, what are you going to do with the HKS? Were you running the EIDS kit to stabilize your idle?

I will be selling the HKS bov and the UICP, and yes I was running the EIDS aswell, which I will also be selling since I am going with the FCon which eliminates the need for the EIDS.

[em1toevo]

Hmmm, let me know what you when you decide what you want for the bov/UICP/EIDS.

[Alex]

Is there a date yet on when the car will be "completed"

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Brett you will be the 1st to know. I am also selling my HKS 272/272 cams if you are interested in those aswell.

Alex, it is estimated sometime in April but its kinda up in the air. The head and tranny are going to be shippe out tomorow and AMS will get the final goahead to start the assembly of my new block. Alot of stuff has to come together without any major delays in the next month or so. Im really hoping mid April.

[TripperFx3]

Brett you will be the 1st to know. I am also selling my HKS 272/272 cams if you are interested in those aswell.

Alex, it is estimated sometime in April but its kinda up in the air. The head and tranny are going to be shippe out tomorow and AMS will get the final goahead to start the assembly of my new block. Alot of stuff has to come together without any major delays in the next month or so. Im really hoping mid April.

Damn... Thats a lot of time to be bumming rides off people! lol JW since im planning on doing most of the stuff that you've got Ryan (before the blow-up) how long do you think it would take to install, cams, IC, turbo (including ported mani and O2 housing), headstuds, timing belt job (I think that will be done with the cams/headstuds anyway), meth etc? I'm actually gonna do everything I can to save on labor, but if you figure they've got to install cams they'll have to remove the turbo and all that, so I might as well take advantage of labor right? If for some reason they (by they I mean SpeedElement) charge me to do the stuff separately and charge labor for the turbo install, IC, and cams/timing job ill probably be doing the turbo, IC, injectors and just leave them the cams/headstuds/timing belt and meth install. You think that could be done in a weekend? If so I'm thinking about taking Sam out while its being worked on and spend a weekend Fri-Sun in San Francisco and let them work on the car.

[alg626]

to install cams all you have to remove is the valve cover it's usually only a 2 hour job. The turbo removal is a 4-5 hour job i believe.

[Alex]

to install cams all you have to remove is the valve cover it's usually only a 2 hour job. The turbo removal is a 4-5 hour job i believe.

Sounds reasonable.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

to install cams all you have to remove is the valve cover it's usually only a 2 hour job. The turbo removal is a 4-5 hour job i believe.

Ummmm that is totally incorrect. If you can do a cam install in 2 hours I want to watch it and then ill believe it. Any shop you take it to will quote you 4-5 hours for cam install. The turbo can actually be done in 2 hours if its a direct replacement like the Green was. If its an upgrade such as a 35R then it may take longer.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Damn... Thats a lot of time to be bumming rides off people! lol JW since im planning on doing most of the stuff that you've got Ryan (before the blow-up) how long do you think it would take to install, cams, IC, turbo (including ported mani and O2 housing), headstuds, timing belt job (I think that will be done with the cams/headstuds anyway), meth etc? I'm actually gonna do everything I can to save on labor, but if you figure they've got to install cams they'll have to remove the turbo and all that, so I might as well take advantage of labor right? If for some reason they (by they I mean SpeedElement) charge me to do the stuff separately and charge labor for the turbo install, IC, and cams/timing job ill probably be doing the turbo, IC, injectors and just leave them the cams/headstuds/timing belt and meth install. You think that could be done in a weekend? If so I'm thinking about taking Sam out while its being worked on and spend a weekend Fri-Sun in San Francisco and let them work on the car.

Ya, the problem is that I keep running into delays and stuff. 2-3 days here 2-3 days there, if everything had gone as planned i would be getting the car back in the next 2 weeks, unfortunately I havnt even started on it which is starting to aggrevate me considering that the hold ups are not my fault. As for the saving labor part I dont think you are looking at it the right way. To do cams, gears, headstuds you do not have to touch the turbo/take it off at all. You wouldnt be saving labor cost at all. I promise you they will charge you seperately for each install because none of the installs are related. Even the IC and Turbo are 2 totally different installs. Not trying to bust your chops, I just want you to be prepared. Oh, and all that can be done over one weekend, its just a matter of which stuff you want them to do.

[alg626]

Ummmm that is totally incorrect. If you can do a cam install in 2 hours I want to watch it and then ill believe it. Any shop you take it to will quote you 4-5 hours for cam install. The turbo can actually be done in 2 hours if its a direct replacement like the Green was. If its an upgrade such as a 35R then it may take longer.


Top Speed and Batlground both quoted me 2-3 hours or $180.00 for cam install. Now thinking about it to replace the turbo was 4-5 hours so that did mean to pull and replace was only that time.

Even Dynoper4mance was 240 for cams, thats 3 hours at 80.00/hr

[TripperFx3]

Top Speed and Batlground both quoted me 2-3 hours or $180.00 for cam install. Now thinking about it to replace the turbo was 4-5 hours so that did mean to pull and replace was only that time.

Even Dynoper4mance was 240 for cams, thats 3 hours at 80.00/hr

They've probably just done it so many times it really doesn't take them that long anymore, so they past the savings on to you by charging you only 2-3 hours labor. I can't remember the shop, but one of them did a video of a cam install and did it in only 20 minutes or so. There were no chopping of the video either. Its just one fluid 20 minute video. BTW don't let Batlground do sh!t on your car... I've had lots of bad experiences with them when I had my 240.

As far as the labor goes, what I was thinking was if they had to remove the head completely to do the studs instead of doing the one by one method (just doing it through the valve cover like your talking about) and thats what I was thinking. If they have to lift the head of course they'd have to remove the turbo and such, but I figured the 1x1 method would be the route they would go. So what it looks like is ill do the turbo, IC and all related stuff and leave them cams/studs/timing belt and meth.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

When I had my cams done everyone was charging 4-5 hours, I think Dyno4mance charged me 4hrs for cams/ 1hour for studs. Maybe I got ripped off :( Tripp, the turbo/IC and that stuff is fairly easy to do, you would save yourself alot of money by doing it yourself.

[TripperFx3]

When I had my cams done everyone was charging 4-5 hours, I think Dyno4mance charged me 4hrs for cams/ 1hour for studs. Maybe I got ripped off :( Tripp, the turbo/IC and that stuff is fairly easy to do, you would save yourself alot of money by doing it yourself.

Thats what ill do then! A local guy here has a lift and air tools in his garage! Makes things a lot easier!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

If you have air guns the install will go extremely quickly as long as you dont break any of the rusted bolts.

[em1toevo]

I wish I had a lift at home.

[Alex]

If you have air guns the install will go extremely quickly as long as you dont break any of the rusted bolts.

Or cross threaded ones as the Subarus are prone to :D

[TripperFx3]

Or cross threaded ones as the Subarus are prone to :D
Thats why we have Evos... Easier to work on :D lol jk. Hes got a nice air ratchet that has varying torques, so Ill just use that for the exhaust mani :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

**Update**

Ive made a major adjustment to my mods. I will not be doing the AMS VSR Intake manifold, and wont be doing the radiator at the moment. I am trying to save a bit of money. I will however be going ahead and doing the 37R -_- . Just figured why the hell not...

[em1toevo]

Hail yeah! That 37R is gonna be crazy! You can always go back and do the manifold and radiator.

[mike.p]

you should be fine runnin a stock ported intake mani and a stock ported 65mm throttle body...upgrade to 3" piping to!!! i actually will be running this setup..

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

If at all possible I will buy the manifold before its all said and done, but im just not counting on it. Im already putting way too much money into the car right now, lol.

[em1toevo]

How much of a difference will the manifold make powerwise?

[em1toevo]

Is it a necessity right now?

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

With the stroker and 37r I would say its good for 50-60whp. Its a pretty big deal when you run a large turbo. I dont believe its necessary, but it sure would be nice.

[mike.p]

yeah sheet metal intake can make a big diff.... we are thinking about making our own but we have so much other crap we are worried about..lol but buschur did a test with a magnus "old style" sheet metal intake vs the stock ported intake and tb, and the stock ported stuff made 15whp more..

[TripperFx3]

yeah sheet metal intake can make a big diff.... we are thinking about making our own but we have so much other crap we are worried about..lol but buschur did a test with a magnus "old style" sheet metal intake vs the stock ported intake and tb, and the stock ported stuff made 15whp more..

Didn't David Buschur post something up about the Magnus intake mani saying that it was crap and the customer service was bad, and this that and the other? Mainly because they're customers were having problems with the mani and they (the shop) were recommending the Magnus and it was performing poorly and making them look bad. It may have been AMS...? Either way its on EvoM and after reading that I decided no matter what route I went with the car if I was going to do a mani. upgrade of some sort I was going to get the stock one ported.

Either way Ryan I can't believe your getting the 37r already... Jenny must be one understanding girl... lol

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Ya she is. As for the intake manifold, the Magnus has gotten alot of bad comments and bad rep. The AMS VSR one is amazing though. Its the same manifold used on all of the high hp Evo's. I dont know many 700+ Evos running stock ported manifolds, although Im sure there may be a few. Just about all of the AMS products are tested and proven. If I can make enough before the motor goes back in the car I will do the mani too, but its kinda on a week to week basis as everything seems to change a little every week.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Finally everything has begun. I officially started my crazy project today. The following stuff has been ordered and paid for:

AMS 2.3L RR Motor
AMS Race Ported Head
JUN 272/272 Cams
Sheppard Transmission (did not do the 4.11)

I wanted to go ahead and start on everything that I thought would take the longest amount of time to complete. In the next 2weeks I will be ordering the 37r, AMS UICP w/ Tial BOV, AMS Small battery, Carbonetics Clutch, AMS Fuel Rail, and AMS 1000cc injectors. Im holding off on the FCon and EVC until April, but these will also be done in time. Im just excited that the clock is starting to tick on this project.

[TripperFx3]

Finally everything has begun. I officially started my crazy project today. The following stuff has been ordered and paid for:

AMS 2.3L RR Motor
AMS Race Ported Head
JUN 272/272 Cams
Sheppard Transmission (did not do the 4.11)

I wanted to go ahead and start on everything that I thought would take the longest amount of time to complete. In the next 2weeks I will be ordering the 37r, AMS UICP w/ Tial BOV, AMS Small battery, Carbonetics Clutch, AMS Fuel Rail, and AMS 1000cc injectors. Im holding off on the FCon and EVC until April, but these will also be done in time. Im just excited that the clock is starting to tick on this project.

Very nice man! Congrats! Why did you decide against the 4.11?

[mike.p]

if you dont mind me asking what do you do for a living?? i might have to change careers..lolFinally everything has begun. I officially started my crazy project today. The following stuff has been ordered and paid for:

AMS 2.3L RR Motor
AMS Race Ported Head
JUN 272/272 Cams
Sheppard Transmission (did not do the 4.11)

I wanted to go ahead and start on everything that I thought would take the longest amount of time to complete. In the next 2weeks I will be ordering the 37r, AMS UICP w/ Tial BOV, AMS Small battery, Carbonetics Clutch, AMS Fuel Rail, and AMS 1000cc injectors. Im holding off on the FCon and EVC until April, but these will also be done in time. Im just excited that the clock is starting to tick on this project.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Sharif at the shop told me he felt it would hurt the overall performance of the car if I still wanted to use the car for road racing. He said its a good gearing for a drag car, but it would hurt me overall on mtn runs and track use.

Mike, Im a process server. Basically, when someone gets a suit brought against them or when a bank/financial institute wants to collect or bring legal action against someone who hasnt paid their bill, they send me to locate them and serve the papers. It pays extremely well.

[mike.p]

nice were do i sign up?? i bet you here some sh!t from ppl

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Oh I hear all kinds of shit from ppl everyday. There is actually quite a long waiting line for the job, lol. I know of at least 5people who have been waiting for a spot to open up.

[mike.p]

lol i bet

[TripperFx3]

I tried to get this job as well... I know the guy who got Ryan the job... But he got it before I did... Bastard... lol jk

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

lol dont hate, you moved to Reno

[em1toevo]

I'm looking for a new job myself. Things are getting a little too tight. Gotta have money for Evo toys;)

[TripperFx3]

I'm looking for a new job myself. Things are getting a little too tight. Gotta have money for Evo toys;)

Learn how to detail! It makes an excellent side job and you can make up to 250+ bucks a car. Need to put at least 400 bucks into it to get some product and a buffer though.

[em1toevo]

The only bad thing about detailing right now is the outdoor watering ban. I would love getting into that when the water ban eases off. I'm sure it would be good money.

[alg626]

I think its different when you have a business license, your allowed to wash cars then. I believe. License can be 75-150 dollars i think, at least that how much it was in Auburn.

[em1toevo]

Thanks for the tip Alan. I might look into getting a license...

[mike.p]

yeah you could stick a water tank in the back of the evo and be a mobil car detailer!!!!!!!!! you could get to ppl with the quickness..lol

[TripperFx3]

yeah you could stick a water tank in the back of the evo and be a mobil car detailer!!!!!!!!! you could get to ppl with the quickness..lol

lol That would be a feat! Brett, if you remember that rinseless car wash thats what I use for mobile detailing (or will use) if I have to detail in an office park or something. I actually just fill 2 buckets up in my apt. and wash my car right there in my parking spot.

Ryan: Did you go ahead and do the 37R because your Green was damaged or you just decided to do it? jw

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I just decided to do it. I listed the Green for sale, it is not damaged as far as I can tell. Im having Forged confirm this over the next 2 days, but as far as I can tell its still in flawless condition.