E 85

[turbo dragon]

how hard is it to switch over to E 85, I already have 1000 cc injectors, and the 255 walbro pump, which I would probably upgrade to the new pump Topspeed is selling if I had to,

[blkonblk2red]

not that hard... all you need is either a switch for dual maps... or a laptop for dual maps... and a tune for both 93 and e85

contact jordan @ definedusa.com..
he can get you a price on the switch last i remember its like $15-25 bucks.. i needa get one as well


https://secure.buschurracing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_59&products_id=1392

^ thats the switch...

[turbo dragon]

what if I wanted to run the E85 all the time and not switch it back and forth. can I just run whats in it out and fill up with E85 and get it tuned for that

[blkonblk2red]

^ yeah... run 93 out... as much as possible... and then fill up with e85 ... but u already have to have somewhat of a map... to run e85... until u can get tuned... touring bubble should be able to help ya out with that...

[turbo dragon]

nice Im thinking of going with the E85 when I put my new cams and cops in

[Apex i ITR]

Do NOT run E85 on a pump gas map untuned. Don't ask me how I know but thats asking for trouble. You don't need a bigger fuel pump/dual until you go bigger then a FP Red on E85.

[silver9MR]

are there any places to get e85 around marietta??

[blkonblk2red]

http://e85vehicles.com/e85-georgia.htm ^

[TouringBubble]

Do NOT run E85 on a pump gas map untuned. Don't ask me how I know but thats asking for trouble. You don't need a bigger fuel pump/dual until you go bigger then a FP Red on E85.

This. you HAVE to have the injectors set up in the tune for E85 or you will run super lean.

The 1000cc injectors are great for the stock turbo and E85. With the cams, you'll be close to max duty though. You will need bigger injectors and maybe a second pump if you swap the turbo.

[turbo dragon]

so would it be better to just stay on pump and get a bigger turbo, or is it worth it to get all the stuff to run E85 with a bigger turbo

[freshandclean]

so would it be better to just stay on pump and get a bigger turbo, or is it worth it to get all the stuff to run E85 with a bigger turbo

Of course it's worth it to get a big turbo and run E85! Why would you run pump gas if E85 were available?

[turbo dragon]

how much bigger injectors would I need and what fuel pump should I go with

[blkonblk2red]

how much bigger injectors would I need and what fuel pump should I go with

depends on the turbo.... u can go with a double pumper... or the new topspeed one... i'm not sure about the new one bc it hasn't been out as long...

injectors depends on turbo... i'm running 1650 fic injectors... and i think i'll max them out with a bbklite/full... if i do a turbo upgrade... but i'm only going for 400 whp... which i should hit on e85...and stock turbo...

[freshandclean]

Start with the Walbro that you have until you decide which turbo you want to run. For injectors I would recommend the FIC 1680cc High Impedance if you're thinking about running an FP Red or an FP Black.

[turbo dragon]

what kind of gas milage could I expect right now with the stock turbo, i know it takes more E85 to run than 93 octane

[freshandclean]

what kind of gas milage could I expect right now with the stock turbo, i know it takes more E85 to run than 93 octane

I"ve ran over 4 yrs now on E85. On average I get 15-17Mpg City and 19-21Mpg Highway. From what I've gathered from others, this may be on the high side although driving habits are the variable that most determines fuel economy.

[blkonblk2red]

I"ve ran over 4 yrs now on E85. On average I get 15-17Mpg City and 19-21Mpg Highway. From what I've gathered from others, this may be on the high side although driving habits are the variable that most determines fuel economy.

... i use to get 8mpg... but thats bc the pedal was always to the floor... lol

e85 uses 30% more fuel... so it goes 30% quicker then what u get on 93

[turbo dragon]

so with the mods I have right now, whats the hp I could expect going with E85

9 turbo
3" turbo back exhaust
turbo header
air intake
port & polished head
GSC S2 cams
cam gears
BC valves, springs, retainers
ported intake manifold
COP
head studs
boost controller (26psi)
255 walbro
RC 1000 cc injectors
ETS fmic with piping

[blkonblk2red]

i'm assuming 400+.. .with matt (touring bubble tuning)... i had about the same mods... and had 400ish on ddl... never got to dyno it... but i had a 8... 9's tend to have 30 more whp...

[freshandclean]

i'm assuming 400+.. .with matt (touring bubble tuning)... i had about the same mods... and had 400ish on ddl... never got to dyno it... but i had a 8... 9's tend to have 30 more whp...

Agreed, easily 400whp. Beyond the power gains, there are many other benefits of running E85.

[turbo dragon]

what are the other benefits, besides running cleaner

[freshandclean]

what are the other benefits, besides running cleaner


If you're tuned for E85, there's no need to shell out for race fuel given the octane rating of E85. It burns clean as you stated above. You're not providing finances to OPEC nations, instead you're buying a domestically made product. There's a huge economical benefit. Farmers have jobs, ethanol facilities are able to hire more workers and truck drivers have job security from delivering the fuel.

[turbo dragon]

whats the other E fuel thats stronger the E85, seems like I read in a mag. that there was one you could use on track day

[freshandclean]

whats the other E fuel thats stronger the E85, seems like I read in a mag. that there was one you could use on track day

E98 possibly.

[turbo dragon]

that may be it thanks for all your help guys

[kblock4life]

i would love to run e85 i just wish there where more stations that carry it though...

[Apex i ITR]

if you're tuned for e85, there's no need to shell out for race fuel given the octane rating of e85. It burns clean as you stated above. You're not providing finances to opec nations, instead you're buying a domestically made product. There's a huge economical benefit. Farmers have jobs, ethanol facilities are able to hire more workers and truck drivers have job security from delivering the fuel.


all this ^^^^^

[turbo dragon]

i would love to run e85 i just wish there where more stations that carry it though...

I hear you on this one, theres only 2 with in 20-30 min from where I live, luckily I most of the time I head in the same direction as one of them

[kblock4life]

same here there all 20-30 min out from where i live..

[TouringBubble]

Haven't been on in a few days. Just for reference, I'm making around 395 to 405 whp and over 395 tq on the stock turbo and stock cams, but it's an aggressive tune honestly. With cams you can easily be over 415 or so on the stock turbo with a IX.

On E85 I average around 15.5 mpg. On the highway I can get about 17.5 mpg or so and have gotten as little as 9 mph with some auto-x.

[turbo dragon]

nice, thats what Im going to do when taxes come back then

[blkonblk2red]

luck me i have 2 stations near me... one is 5 mins away.... the other is 10 lol :)

[turbo dragon]

In july I will be doing the E85 fuel, who do yall recommend to do the tune, if you dont want to say on here please send me a pm, I want to get a good tune one with the highest hp numbers I can get and at the same time be reliable

[Apex i ITR]

Touring Bubble. I had him tune me on E for the first time and I nearly shit my pants. Price is reasonable too.

[turbo dragon]

where is he located at

[Apex i ITR]

AL but he can tune you through email. Youre setup is cake for him, easy peasy. Pm him here or email him at sales@projecttuning.com

Good guy, great customer service. he will answer any of your questions and work with you until you are happy.

[turbo dragon]

awesome, do I need a program or special cable to do the email tune

[Apex i ITR]

Tactrix Cable is something you should have anyways.
Need a windows machine of some sort that you can use to flash your PC. Also you need to purchase evoscan (25 bux or somethng cheap like that).

[turbo dragon]

I was checking out the evo scan web site, which cable is better for the tuning, the 200 something tactrix or the 170 something 1.3 cable, im sure the tactrix would be better but I was reading them both is why I asked

[Apex i ITR]

1.3u is fine. The 2.0 is for EVO X users I believe.

[GoBoost]

Chad, have you considered saving some money and picking up a used cable? Im sure there's one to be found on evom... or ebay.

[turbo dragon]

I havent thought of that yet, thanks Ben, Ill check in to it

[Apex i ITR]

Or even borrow. I've loaned mine out before. Its one of those things that unless you are tuning you really don't need it.

My car is going back together again soon so I do need it for the next couple of weeks but I can loan it to you afterwards

[turbo dragon]

thats cool, it will be sometime in july before i need the tune done

[Apex i ITR]

OK just PM me here and let me know when, if I can help I will.

[turbo dragon]

awesome thanks

[killercd4g63]

hey chad,
Where are these 2 E85 stations that you speak of?

There's one in milledgeville i know of...

[TouringBubble]

Dragon, if you want to do a remote tune on E85 you will need a wideband installed. If you don't have one, it might make more sense for you to come to me as i have a portable one to use. For safety reasons I don't tune E85 without wideband data.