Brett

[alg626]

Man i'm working on a few things to add to your car , you better be there, i can add them to anyone's Evo that will be there.

some changes to your timing map

knock lite were your cel will flash when u get knock

more boost when using lauch control

we can also add the valet mode where u turn the key to on and hold the pedal for a set time and it will not allow the car to go over whatever rpm u set it for.

i got all this stuff from Evom.net and it all works great, i run it all on my car.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Cool stuff, of course you dont need a knock lite if you have no knock, and you dont need launch control if you can launch your car without it... The valet mode is cool though.

[alg626]

u never know about the knock

Launch control builds boost at the line you can't build boost with-out it,feathering the pedal won't build it

valet is cool to set the rpm at like 350 and the car won't run.

[em1toevo]

Thanks Alan! I will definitely be there. You might have to school me on the details. I don't know much about tuning options.

[TripperFx3]

Ive read about this stuff on Evom and sounds really cool. I personally have the rear O2 sensor delete on mine as my CEL kept coming on cause the sensor was going out. Id like to do the No Lift To Shift mod (Sorta like anti lag, look it up on EvoM), but dont want to kill my car lol.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Launch control builds boost at the line you can't build boost with-out it,feathering the pedal won't build it.

Wanna bet? :)

[alg626]

i'm pretty sure that you won't be able to build to many psi off the line, feathering the trottle doesn't allow the ecu to run in a higher load were it can start building 8-more psi.

[alg626]

Ive read about this stuff on Evom and sounds really cool. I personally have the rear O2 sensor delete on mine as my CEL kept coming on cause the sensor was going out. Id like to do the No Lift To Shift mod (Sorta like anti lag, look it up on EvoM), but dont want to kill my car lol.


yeah it takes some pactice, i couldn't get it down i kept leaving my foot on the clutch, lol talk about bucking

[em1toevo]

Alan, is that Exedy clutch holding up well after all those launches?

[alg626]

I've only launched maybe 4 times put its still holding really good

[TripperFx3]

ACT clutch FTW!!! People have reported 50+ launches and 50k miles with no problems :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

i'm pretty sure that you won't be able to build to many psi off the line, feathering the trottle doesn't allow the ecu to run in a higher load were it can start building 8-more psi.

I hold enough boost to spin all 4 tires off the line without passing 4000 RPMs. Try that on for size. I dont mean any disrespect, but just because you cant do it without launch control doesnt mean I cant. Launching isnt all about feathering the throttle. I personally think if you cant launch your car without using launch control then you shouldnt be launching the car at all. I think the driver should learn the limitations of his car before he starts launching it, and thats not directed at you Alan because I know you know your car very well. Im just saying before you put launch control on just anyones car, make sure they know their car well enough. Im tired of hearing about Evo owners cracking their T-Cases or screwing up their transmissions. My point is, I CAN and DO launch my car without any launch control, and I assure you I hold plenty of boost to launch very hard. I honestly dont appreciate you fighting me on this either, which I know you are doing from the information that YOU know. But your trying to convince me that I cant do something that I have done many many times. Sorry if this seems like a verbal assault or something, but I had to point it out.

[alg626]

so how many pounds of boost do you launch at, right before you out the clutch, launch control helps you build boost thats what its for, it doesn't make launching easier as in the physical aspect of launching you still have to time everything

feathering the trottle doesn't put any load on the car not allowing any boost to be built
but u can launch the car without it ever said you couldn't launch it, just not with as much boost

go outside rev your car to 4000 where u launch at and tell me if your in vaccum or boost and how much.
then i'll i'll go set my launch control to 4000 and show u how much it will build it won't be much boost but it will be some, i launch at 5750 building about 12-15psi, using launch control keeps load on the car to build boost

[em1toevo]

I hardly ever do any launches from a dig. I just figured I was sparing the tranny from hard extra abuse.

[alg626]

you are i don't do it much anymore, it really puts a beaten on the clutch and TC

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

so how many pounds of boost do you launch at, right before you out the clutch, launch control helps you build boost thats what its for, it doesn't make launching easier as in the physical aspect of launching you still have to time everything

feathering the trottle doesn't put any load on the car not allowing any boost to be built
but u can launch the car without it ever said you couldn't launch it, just not with as much boost

go outside rev your car to 4000 where u launch at and tell me if your in vaccum or boost and how much.
then i'll i'll go set my launch control to 4000 and show u how much it will build it won't be much boost but it will be some, i launch at 5750 building about 12-15psi, using launch control keeps load on the car to build boost

Thats how your tear apart your tranny and T-Case. 5750 is way too high to launch the car at. I know for sure im in boost, I doubt I would spin all 4 in vacuum. Try launching at a lower RPM to save your tranny, clutch, etc.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Shepp FTW ^_^

[em1toevo]

I will practice the launching Ryan. I just want to try a couple of times by myself so I don't look like an idiot trying to do it the first time, lol.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

;) i can just teach you next time you come down here. I dont mind, its a bit tricky the first few times.

[em1toevo]

I appreciate it. I will try to work on the tips you threw my way, in the meantime.

[TripperFx3]

;) i can just teach you next time you come down here. I dont mind, its a bit tricky the first few times.

You can teach me in your car when i come out :p! jk man! Id appreciate if you did show me your technique when i come out though :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

sure, not a problem at all. Is sam coming with you too? Fahim is going out of town right before you come in town lol. I guess you scared him :P

[TripperFx3]

sure, not a problem at all. Is sam coming with you too? Fahim is going out of town right before you come in town lol. I guess you scared him :P

No shes not. She came into town a few months ago for her sisters wedding, but was only in GA for a day and then headed to TN.

Fahim told me was going out of town, but hes gonna try to be back for at least a day. He supposed to be going to Seattle and then as soon as he gets back head to Nebraska or something like that.

[alg626]

test, i was trying to post a pic.

[alg626]

Thats how your tear apart your tranny and T-Case. 5750 is way too high to launch the car at. I know for sure im in boost, I doubt I would spin all 4 in vacuum. Try launching at a lower RPM to save your tranny, clutch, etc.

Lets try this again
launch control helps build boost, have u gone outside and reved ur car up to 4000 and hold it there? how much boost did it show? none because ur in vaccum still, once u let off the clutch and the car starts moving is when ur building boost and spinning tires, duh

luanch control lets u hold the gas to the floor therefore building boost and then just slip the clutch and bam your off with already 12psi off the line instead of starting in vaccum

5750 is not to high if u know how to luanch by slipping and not dropping or side stepping the clutch, and also u say "I personally think if you cant launch your car without using launch control then you shouldnt be launching the car at all." what about all the shop cars(AMS, Buschur, Shep) that use it at the drag strips, what do u think there using it for? to build boost. can those guys not drive

i never said u can't launch without it, because i do also when i don't need a balls to wall luanch, but at the track thats how i luanch i had over 50 passes easy on the stock clutch and it lasted 70,000 miles before replacing it.

Ryan this was never an attack just trying to share info was all.

[em1toevo]

That is a long time on a stock clutch! How many miles do you have now Alan?

[alg626]

i'm at 121,00 miles now, when i bought the evo it's clutch started to slip after about a month so had it replaced with a stock one at 44,000 miles and then had the Exedy put in at about 119,300 miles, so thats actually 75,300 miles on a stock clutch with 50 passes at the track plus 5 mtn. runs and numerous races.

[TripperFx3]

i'm at 121,00 miles now, when i bought the evo it's clutch started to slip after about a month so had it replaced with a stock one at 44,000 miles and then had the Exedy put in at about 119,300 miles, so thats actually 75,300 miles on a stock clutch with 50 passes at the track plus 5 mtn. runs and numerous races.

Damn!!! Someone beat me! I made 50k before i had to replace the clutch.

[em1toevo]

Y'all some driving fools!! I feel like I have a weekend car-27k miles here. I bought it with 12.5k and that was last August.

[Xpsi]

Y'all some driving fools!! I feel like I have a weekend car-27k miles here. I bought it with 12.5k and that was last August.

I guess I could say the same thing. Bought the car with 10k and now it just turned to 30k. Since I changed job last week, I'll be driving the car once a week and maybe not even that.

[TripperFx3]

Y'all some driving fools!! I feel like I have a weekend car-27k miles here. I bought it with 12.5k and that was last August.

Well you did have your injury, so we will let you use that as an excuse lol.

My mileage has gone down since i moved here. Everything is just closer for the most part.

[alg626]

you guys suck, i have to drive at least 30 miles to get to anything, driving to work is 300 miles a week:(

[em1toevo]

True Alan but I bet she still runs like a top.

[alg626]

yeah shes still pulling hard and not one major problem, but we'll see, if she does ever let go i'll just go to a 2.3L stroker with a IX turbo or something along that line. talk about a quick spool up.:)

[em1toevo]

That's a heck of a heart transplant;)

[monk]

Lets try this again
launch control helps build boost, have u gone outside and reved ur car up to 4000 and hold it there? how much boost did it show? none because ur in vaccum still, once u let off the clutch and the car starts moving is when ur building boost and spinning tires, duh
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^ +1
A couple of notes on how this actually works (as told to me by Scott Siegel) to clear things up.


Launch control is done through engine management by sending combustion outside the motor to spin the turbo-otherwise the motor must be "loaded" to make boost. you cannot manually do this, the ecu has to be programmed to do this. Although there is probably a mechincal way to "rig" this, you will probably blow your motor in the process.

WRC cars have LC and FFS as part of standard setup, it has nothing to do with "knowing" how to launch. If you don't "know" how to launch you should NOT be using LC. It's not a "dummy" tool.

Each RPM "bounce" on LC will build about 2-4psi more (depending on the tune of LC, but this is how Cobb AP is setup).

Staying on LC for more than 2-3sec WILL start wearing/breaking stuff.

If you do not have LC, you are not launching "on boost", any boost you see is happening as the clutch is slipped and thus "loading" the engine. if you are making positive boost numbers before the clutch is up any distance from the floor, there is something wrong, not good with the setup/tune
.

[em1toevo]

Ahhh I totally


don't understand.
Seriously, I see what you mean. I am a little apprehensive about breaking stuff right now.

[alg626]

^ +1
A couple of notes on how this actually works (as told to me by Scott Siegel) to clear things up.

Launch control is done through engine management by sending combustion outside the motor to spin the turbo-otherwise the motor must me "loaded" to make boost. you cannot manually do this, the ecu has to be programmed to do this. Although there is probably a mechincal way to "rig" this, you will probably blow your motor in the process.
WRC cars have LC and FFS as part of standard setup, it has nothing to do with "knowing" how to launch. If you don't "know" how to launch you should NOT be using LC. It's not a "dummy" tool.
Each RPM "bounce" on LC will build about 2-4psi more (depending on the tune of LC, but this is how Cobb AP is setup).
Staying on LC for more than 2-3sec WILL start wearing/breaking stuff.
If you do not have LC, you are not launching "on boost", any boost you see is happening as the clutch is slipped and thus "loading" the engine. if you are making positive boost numbers before the clutch is up any distance from the floor, there is something wrong, not good with the setup/tune.


this man also knows what he's talking about,

[wrxin8or]

^ +1
A couple of notes on how this actually works (as told to me by Scott Siegel) to clear things up.


Great post monk!

[monk]

yay me!
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[alg626]

lol wow
































ban jk lol

[TripperFx3]

yay me!
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Yea... Never do that again...











Seriously... I threw up a little... lol jk man

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

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[em1toevo]

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ok then:o