FP Black news

[TripperFx3]

I'm sure most of you have heard about this, but if not supposedly FP is releasing a new turbo that will produce the power of the Red, but with the spool up of a Green, or close to it. I just tried to find the thread on it on EvoM, but can't seem to. I'm starting to think I may need to upgrade if this is true. Any news or info you have on this turbo post it up here!

[Evolvedgti]

Tripp, that thread was alot of people guessing. FP never came into the thread, the Mods locked it down. I could see them making such a turbo though. The RED is considered a 33/34R, just alittle smaller than the 35R. With the new compressor cover(I have stock), I see no reason for them NOT to be able to stuff some more power into the upcoming 'black'.

As you probably realize, expect a wait. I actually heard about the REd mid last year, before it really hit Evoms. I was one of the first to get my order in at BR. I got it at the end of the year.
Since this turbo has not been officially announced, I wouldnt expect to see it until begininning 2010 or mid 2010. Those are my thoughts, and of course, FP FTW :)

[EVILutionVIII]

Tripp, that thread was alot of people guessing. FP never came into the thread, the Mods locked it down. I could see them making such a turbo though. The RED is considered a 33/34R, just alittle smaller than the 35R. With the new compressor cover(I have stock), I see no reason for them NOT to be able to stuff some more power into the upcoming 'black'.

As you probably realize, expect a wait. I actually heard about the REd mid last year, before it really hit Evoms. I was one of the first to get my order in at BR. I got it at the end of the year.
Since this turbo has not been officially announced, I wouldnt expect to see it until begininning 2010 or mid 2010. Those are my thoughts, and of course, FP FTW :)

+1 It's all speculation. Nothing official actually came out, just a bunch of guys throwing around rumors which is why the thread was locked.

[bomjoon]

im waiting for the FP platinum.

spools instantly... better yet it spools before you even hit the gas and power like the bugatti veyron

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I'm sure most of you have heard about this, but if not supposedly FP is releasing a new turbo that will produce the power of the Red, but with the spool up of a Green, or close to it. I just tried to find the thread on it on EvoM, but can't seem to. I'm starting to think I may need to upgrade if this is true. Any news or info you have on this turbo post it up here!

I find those goals hard to find. I can see improved spool and improved power, but those claims would be a bit ambitious. I would like a BBK that makes as much power as my 33R, but that's not going to happen.

Tripp, that thread was alot of people guessing. FP never came into the thread, the Mods locked it down. I could see them making such a turbo though. The RED is considered a 33/34R, just alittle smaller than the 35R. With the new compressor cover(I have stock), I see no reason for them NOT to be able to stuff some more power into the upcoming 'black'.

As you probably realize, expect a wait. I actually heard about the REd mid last year, before it really hit Evoms. I was one of the first to get my order in at BR. I got it at the end of the year.
Since this turbo has not been officially announced, I wouldnt expect to see it until begininning 2010 or mid 2010. Those are my thoughts, and of course, FP FTW :)

I don't think the Red is quite as aggressive as a true 33R. I made 550whp and 411 tq on straight 93 on a partial tune (my turbo blew out due to debris :( ) Ivey expects an easy 650 on race gas. I have yet to see a Red make these numbers. With that in mind I do believe the Red is the most impressive power turbo for its type and I see no reason why it couldn't make more power with a larger compressor cover. However I wouldn't expect spool like a Green, especially if they plan to increase the size of the compressor cover.

im waiting for the FP platinum.

spools instantly... better yet it spools before you even hit the gas and power like the bugatti veyron

I lol'd

[bomjoon]

im waiting for the FP platinum.

spools instantly... better yet it spools before you even hit the gas and power like the bugatti veyron

all that for less than the price of 1 banana

[ultm8mind]

There are a few alternatives......like mine. LOL, Made the same power as BBY was talking about on 22psi on a tune I am not too fond of. It is a custom build by my buddies in NC, who are very knowledgeable on the Evo side of the house IMHO.....

but I might have to upgrade to the Platinum.....haha

[Evolvedgti]

I don't think the Red is quite as aggressive as a true 33R. I made 550whp and 411 tq on straight 93 on a partial tune (my turbo blew out due to debris :( ) Ivey expects an easy 650 on race gas. I have yet to see a Red make these numbers. With that in mind I do believe the Red is the most impressive power turbo for its type and I see no reason why it couldn't make more power with a larger compressor cover. However I wouldn't expect spool like a Green, especially if they plan to increase the size of the compressor cover.





I see how you could say that, but you have a 2.3. Take a look at David Buschur's "project white", its 2.3, stage three head, and a RED. he is over 500 on hp ad TQ on e85, which can be compared to race. He was high 400's on pump. So I still stand by it, but I will give you...... The RED is close to a 32 & 1/2R ;)

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I see how you could say that, but you have a 2.3. Take a look at David Buschur's "project white", its 2.3, stage three head, and a RED. he is over 500 on hp ad TQ on e85, which can be compared to race. He was high 400's on pump. So I still stand by it, but I will give you...... The RED is close to a 32 & 1/2R ;)

I understand and see your point, but E85 like you said is like race gas. So if we are equally comparing the power/octane the 33R is putting 650 on race compared to the 500 he is putting down. As mentioned before it put down a conservative 550hp on straight pump gas compared to a Red which is high 400s. I think the 33R is as close to a 35R powerwise as you can get. Now don't get me wrong, because as I mentioned before I think the Red is one of the best turbo's available, especially for stock block applications, but not quite 33R territory. By these measurements the Red would need to come up another 100-150 whp to be on the same power level. I'll go with the 31 1/2 or 32R comparison ;)

I would also like to see the spool comparison between the 33R and a Red. I was actually amazed how fast the 33R spooled. When paired on a 2.3 it felt very similar to the way my BBK feels on the 2.0 in the MR.

[Evolvedgti]

Im kool with 32R ;) Need the 1/2

[ultm8mind]

Im kool with 32R ;) Need the 1/2

If there was a 32R that's what mine would be. MIne spools faster than a 35 but slower than a 30......

[EVILutionVIII]

I stand corrected:

Click---> FP Black thread (http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/447590-fpblack-4.html) <---click

[Evolvedgti]

Yeah sound good. I will stick with my red though since I havent really even enjoyed it. Im not one to switch parts everytime something new comes out. Nevertheless, FP does good shit so the Black will kick ass!

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I think people are misreading what the FP black is. That turbo is not going to do well IMO on a stock block. 600whp is great on a built motor, but on a stock block you're going to have to turn the boost way down which will likely be out of its efficiency range. Either that or compromise the motor on higher boost. This is basically a stock manifold 35R. This will not be "the power of the Red, but with the spool up of a Green, or close to it." This will be more power than a red with much slower spool than a Green and slightly slower spool than a Red. Just FYI.

With that in mind I would be all over this if I was thinking of going 35R or similar.

[Evolvedgti]

I agree with you Ryan on that its a stock manifold 35r, which to me means that stock block should be able to do 500whp just fine. Above that I also agree with you, built block all the way.
If I want more power(high 400'-500 range), I plan to up my injectors since I am currently at 75%IDC and throw in a double pumper and run a second map on E85.

[Evolvedgti]

NEW news!!! :)

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/453740-br-presents-new-fp-black-hta82.html

[Chemwarrior]

I read that posting as well. I have a friend who is looking at buying one. It seems a little pricey to me though.

[Evolvedgti]

Yeah, I am sticking with my red. I just put this here for others information.

[Apex i ITR]

I could easily convince myself to run either a BBK Full, HTA green, Red or Black. As long as spool isn't too much worse then stock. I aught between going with something for now and the possible future of building a motor.

aaarrggghhhhhhh Too many choices...I suppose its not a bad thing.

[EVILutionVIII]

Specs on the FP black have been released...there's a thread on evom roaming around with the details. price is set at $1999.00.

[Evolvedgti]

The 1999.99 is WITH the new oil line, so it's not much more the the 'old' red.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I could easily convince myself to run either a BBK Full, HTA green, Red or Black. As long as spool isn't too much worse then stock. I aught between going with something for now and the possible future of building a motor.

aaarrggghhhhhhh Too many choices...I suppose its not a bad thing.

The Red and Black are noticeably slower spool than stock. They do make nice power though. Also take into consideration that the power comparison on EvoM is at 40 psi on E85 which is quite aggressive if you ask me. I don't see anyone running near these boost or power levels on a stock block.

If it is stocklike spool you want go with the BBK or FP Green. If it's more topend power, go with the Red or a Black if you build the motor. Just my 2 cents.

[em1toevo]

Next year when I get a decent job again, I'm planning on getting either the BBK or the Green. I don't plan on doing to much to the engine aside from cams. What would be a good cam for either of these turbos? Gotta start saving...

[Chemwarrior]

Next year when I get a decent job again, I'm planning on getting either the BBK or the Green. I don't plan on doing to much to the engine aside from cams. What would be a good cam for either of these turbos? Gotta start saving...

GSC S1s, S2s, Kelford 272s, and possibly the HKS 272s. You will have to upgrade some stuff though with the S2s and Kelfords.

[Evolvedgti]

Arent the juns great on the VIII side o things

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

The JUN's are great, but very aggressive for a mild turbo. I wouldn't suggest them on anything smaller than a 33R.

[Evolvedgti]

.......10-4

[Evolvedgti]

Fuckin wow. 10.1 from a stock-ish frame turbo.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/drag-racing/454793-new-fp-black-action-10-14-136-75-mph-vid-inside.html

[EVILutionVIII]

635/640...

EvoM (http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-tuning-results/456074-fp-black-q16-635hp-640tq.html)

[Apex i ITR]

Thats just stupid.....Its going tomake alot of the 35R kits go up for sale or considerably eat into them.

[Evolvedgti]

The days of 'needing' a full turbo kit are disappearing. unless you want a GT37r or larger

[Apex i ITR]

But what would really be the point just for bragging rights. For a street car. This along with a 2.3 fully built block seems to be capable of 9 sec quarter mile passes....what more do you want after that. I would imagine that alot of people (esp. ones who blew their motor and starting building up to doing a 2.3) will consider this over a 3k to 5k 35R kit. The response seems like it will be better then a full blown kit and you can have it for a 3rd of the price. You might give up a little in peak horse power but


Man there should be a lot of pissed off people with Forced performance . I mean seriously this should really eat into the AMS]/Full Race/ETS GT35R or lower kits. Why spend 5k when you can spend 2 for the turbo and if you really wanted to spend another 1k on a good manifold (like a Shearer, JMFab or Full race)....and call it a day.

[Evolvedgti]

My sentiments exactly. That is why I went with my turbo. 2k turbo, if i went 2.3l, i would have 500whp + and for about the same price as a turbo kit.


In my eyes,

FP stock frame turbo= 2k
with core, 2.0 or 2.3l = 3500 + install, lets say 1500$
total 7k = powerful car


GT35r= 4k
built block 3500$
install= 1500
9grand total.

[Apex i ITR]

Ok so I've been bouncing stuff of Chris@MellonTuning regarding the CBRD BBK Full, FP HTA Green, FP Red an FP Black....some of you may be surprised about his recommendations.

I told him I have no plans to build a 2.3L monster. No plans on doing anything beyond bolt on's (Shearer Exhaust Manifold, different intake manifold if necessary). I wanted 400-450 on pump gas and 475-525 on E85. Spool time, transient response, general DD driveability as close to stock as possible was the goal.

He STILL reccommends the black. I was shocked. He said the Red spools about 200-300 rpm's later then stock/HTA Green and the black spools 200 rpms later then that (Total of 500 rpms less) and makes about 40 whp more at the same RPM's as the FP Red.

So now I officially have no clue what turbo I want. I was going to buy a CBRD Full but I had some speeding fines ot take care of so I'm waiting until next year again.

Of course I'm still waiting on more info from evom and independant people but to hear Chris advocate the Black over all the other stock turbo offerings says A LOT (to me anyways).

What do you guys think?

[EVILutionVIII]

I still say go with the BBK. Without a 2.3, I don't care what people say about the red/black spool time....it's a noticable difference from stock. It's not 35R laggy, but especially with cams larger than 264s, you will feel the lag.

And although over time you learn how to daily drive with this turbo, the surging can be annoying in high gear/low boost situations. I'm sure the larger housing and anti-surge ports (or whatever the hell you call em) helped eliminate some of the surging, it didn't get rid of it all. Not sure if it's because of the large wheel in a small housing or what, but I've never heard complaints from the BBK side of the house.

If its 500whp you want on E85 and you don't want a BBK, then by all means, go with a red....but the black would be a waste of money. Escpecially since so many will be ditching their reds for the black which means major discounts in price.

I'm no expert though....just my .02

[Evolvedgti]

That's interesting. Yeah, i would take Chris' recommendation since he is my tuner. I assume he will be your's as well. I already have the Red, so I don't plan on getting rid of it. You may be able to get a better deal on a Red from someone switching.

[Chemwarrior]

If Chris says get the Black for your goals then I would take his word for it. He's a straight shooter who is not sponsored by any turbo producer so his input is not biased.

[Apex i ITR]

If Chris says get the Black for your goals then I would take his word for it. He's a straight shooter who is not sponsored by any turbo producer so his input is not biased.


Thats what keeps messing with me. When I look at it on paper and cruise sites like this its BBK Full/HTA green all day. But for someone as reputable as Chris to say get an FP black. It makes me stop and think more then twice. He's not sponsored by FP or CBRD and seems like he always speaks from experience and nothing else. He has tuned some pretty impressive cars so to totally discount what he says would be crazy.