Finally got some springs!

[em1toevo]

Well, I finally got my new springs yesterday. I ended up going with Espelir Active GT springs. Can't wait to put them on! :D

[Evolvedgti]

Pics or it didn't happen :D

[em1toevo]

One sec...

[Evolvedgti]

Now your sig should say


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Mods: HKS RS intake, HP Freaks LICP, Megan TBE, Evo IX bov, Autometer cf boost gauge, Hawk HPS pads, ECUFlash tuned by Dyno4mance

Mods not yet installed: Hallman ES MBC, Goodridge S.S. lines, Motul fluid, Espelir Active GT springs

[em1toevo]

Lmao! You're right. I have to change that asap.

[em1toevo]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs002.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs003.jpg

[Hikaru]

Nice man. I've heard good things about those springs.

[em1toevo]

Now I just need to put them on...

[em1toevo]

They actually came off a car that actively competes in track events. Ever heard of CJ Moses?
http://amsperformance.com/cj_moses.php

[Evolvedgti]

lol, I like how you placed them by the car. Looks good!

[em1toevo]

^I figured I could use my imagination and wish them on there.

[Evolvedgti]

CJ moses is supposed to be pretty good at what he does!

[em1toevo]

^Jon, I have heard that too.
Espelir GT:..............308lbs(5.5k)....330lbs(5.9k)....1 .7f/ .98r

Here is an idea of the drop. This car is running Bilsteins instead of the reg shocks.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/3106791572_96da9ef5bf_o.jpg

[Evolvedgti]

That looks good, not to low but just right

[The_Red_Viii]

Hey I'm getting some Tein springs at the end of this month. They will lower the front of my Evo 2.5 inches and the rear 0.5 inches. I will be getting them for $80 bucks!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

[em1toevo]

I paid $100 ;)

[Evolvedgti]

Hey I'm getting some Tein springs at the end of this month. They will lower the front of my Evo 2.5 inches and the rear 0.5 inches. I will be getting them for $80 bucks!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Which Teins are you getting? Shit, I have some S-techs on IX shocks I would give you if I were home.

[The_Red_Viii]

Which Teins are you getting? Shit, I have some S-techs on IX shocks I would give you if I were home.

For real??!?!!?

I believe the ones I am picking up are the tein h-tech springs.

Are those any good and can I stay on the Evo VIII shocks and will my car still ride good?

[Evolvedgti]

H-tech are supposed to be less harsh on your struts. S-techs are an all show type spring. They look insane, but likely hurt handling(you probably wouldnt want to run s-techs on the track)

Yes, If i were home, you could have my old struts+ s-techs. i basically tried to give them to Tripp out in Vegas, but he only wanted the shocks.

[The_Red_Viii]

H-tech are supposed to be less harsh on your struts. S-techs are an all show type spring. They look insane, but likely hurt handling(you probably wouldnt want to run s-techs on the track)

Yes, If i were home, you could have my old struts+ s-techs. i basically tried to give them to Tripp out in Vegas, but he only wanted the shocks.

Send them in the mail for me. ^_^

So I'm good with the H-tech springs?

[Evolvedgti]

Depends on your goals. The ones Brett has gotten are really good at 1) lowering & 2)handling(on topic):D

I will say this. Tein springs are not the best springs you can get for an Evo. If you plan to step up later, then why not

Jamil, lol, not sending n e thang in the mail. I am in ND, and they are on my balcony in the "A" and .... if i shipped them they would not be free it would cost ME. :rolleyes:

[Evolvedgti]

Let me add, that YES for street duty they will be good. Maybe even for drag, but not RR

[The_Red_Viii]

Let me add, that YES for street duty they will be good. Maybe even for drag, but not RR

Just wanna lower my car and possibly give me better handling... no drag racing, or auto-x, or RR.

[Evolvedgti]

Then you will be good imo. I rode my s-techs for about 25k miles. Others have said that their struts blew after a few miles.

[Hikaru]

^Jon, I have heard that too.
Espelir GT:..............308lbs(5.5k)....330lbs(5.9k)....1 .7f/ .98r

Here is an idea of the drop. This car is running Bilsteins instead of the reg shocks.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/3106791572_96da9ef5bf_o.jpg

Alvin's car kicks serious ass!

[Hikaru]

I have read a lot of reviews on the S-tech spring and the one thing in common is that they are pretty much the worst spring out there for the CT9. This is not opinion from personal use mind you, but when the overwhelming majority of enthusiests bash this spring there may be some truth to it. Personally I run Swifts and love them. They have been proven on the street, auto x, and track time and time again.

[Drill_Sergeant]

general rule of thumb is...if the springs are equal or great than stock...you'll gain a little.

as long as you dont go with eibach since their spring rates are way softer than the stock.

contrary to popular belief, cut springs can perform as well. generally speaking, the less coils, the stiffer the spring rate. sounds crazy i know.

its not so much cutting the springs that hurts performance. its not matching strut piston travel with springs that hurts performance. increased travel can cause overheating of the struts and its internals causing them to fail. sometimes it can be a gradual thing and people never notice until its completely failed. then they blame the spring completely.

its generally lowering springs itself, not just cut springs, that cause strut/shock failure. so best thing to do is find a strut with a shorter stroke. the strut when fully extended should cause a slight preload on the spring.

thats why coilovers are so great, the strut stroke is already matched to the spring and how much it lowers the car. this is especially true for coilovers that actually have lowering abilities via the strut casing and not just the spring perch.

here just picture this...im actually on the toilet as im typing this...

[em1toevo]

^ That is very true. From what I understand, Swift, GTWorx and Espelir are some of the only companies to track test their springs, as well as design them to work with the stock struts.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

^ Jamil you may want to double check which springs you are actually getting. Tein S Techs are as mentioned one of the worst handling springs available, period. If you are in fact getting the H Techs, they also handle worse than stock. Believe it or not, its true. In addition to that, the H Techs do not lower the car 2.5 inches up front. Let me know if you have any other questions about the Teins.

[Evolvedgti]

^ Jamil you may want to double check which springs you are actually getting. Tein S Techs are as mentioned one of the worst handling springs available, period. If you are in fact getting the H Techs, they also handle worse than stock. Believe it or not, its true. In addition to that, the H Techs do not lower the car 2.5 inches up front. Let me know if you have any other questions about the Teins.

Ryan I thought the same thing. If I remember correctly, H-techs only lower something like -1"FRT, 0.7 R. Its the S-techs that do around 2 frt, and 1.4r but as i stated are just for looks.

[Evolvedgti]

Found this. Not endorsing, just givng Jamil the info.


S-techs

Notes:
front/rear
2/0.9
CT9A



TEIN S.TECH Spring is an excellent step towards suspension tuning. They offer approximately a 1.5 inch drop for a more aggressive appearance. Comes with a 1 year limited warranty. Spring length is guaranteed not to sag more than 5mm and to be clear of any manufacture defects (see limited warranty for more details).

* One year limited warranty.
* High-grade material adapted to improve guaranteed satisfaction.
* Rubber spring protector sheet to prevent noise (most applications).


H-techs





High Tech is made from a new material called "Vanadium" which is much lighter then other spring and increases flexibility

All spring are designed specifically to fit each car for maximum performance.

About a 1 inch drop for a more attractive appearance.

Comfortable ride quality is still maintained by using the OEM bump rubber and noise protection

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

^ that's correct Jon. The only way to have a significant drop and handle well is to do coilovers. if you will notice with the swifts, gtworx, and espilir, which all handle better than stock, the drop is less than an inch and in most cases only half an inch.

[Hikaru]

Found this. Not endorsing, just givng Jamil the info.


S-techs

Notes:
front/rear
2/0.9
CT9A



TEIN S.TECH Spring is an excellent step towards suspension tuning. They offer approximately a 1.5 inch drop for a more aggressive appearance. Comes with a 1 year limited warranty. Spring length is guaranteed not to sag more than 5mm and to be clear of any manufacture defects (see limited warranty for more details).

* One year limited warranty.
* High-grade material adapted to improve guaranteed satisfaction.
* Rubber spring protector sheet to prevent noise (most applications).


H-techs





High Tech is made from a new material called "Vanadium" which is much lighter then other spring and increases flexibility

All spring are designed specifically to fit each car for maximum performance.

About a 1 inch drop for a more attractive appearance.

Comfortable ride quality is still maintained by using the OEM bump rubber and noise protection


OK, I know this is a cut and paste from a website. It sounds like a generic description that you would read for anything from a CT9 EVO to a DC2 Integra. Truth is Tein springs may be really good for other platforms but people just seem to think they suck for the evo. And Tein needs to update its sales pitches cuz Vanadium is NOT a new material. It's what my work knives are made of and I've had em for years.

[Evolvedgti]

It was a paste job for sure. I was just trying to give the info I found. Like I said, I ran them for about 25k. I don't have a problem with them. I never took them on a track, but I haven't taken my CO's on one either. I figured info from TEIN couldn't be disputed. Takes all opinion out to avoid problems.

[Drill_Sergeant]

you should also look for a linear spring rather than a progressive spring...unless ride comfort is your thing

my kidneys are bleeding from my coilovers

[Evolvedgti]

DS, which CO's do you have that make you piss blood?

[Drill_Sergeant]

tanabe seven's jk my kidneys arent really bleeding.

although the coilovers do hurt me when i have to piss really bad.

spring rates are 14/12

[Drill_Sergeant]

double post

[Evolvedgti]

I knew you were not 'really' pissing blood. you were just saying they are rough. just playin along ;)

[Drill_Sergeant]

it'd be a better story if they were bleeding.

anyhoos back to the topic...

did you ever put the springs on?

[Evolvedgti]

Brett, NEW PICS!:D:D:D

[TouringBubble]

^ that's correct Jon. The only way to have a significant drop and handle well is to do coilovers.

This isn't actually correct. Lowering too far will have a negative effect no matter the method. You screw up the roll center of the suspension when you go too low and that's the problem. Without changing the actual suspension geometry you cannot solve the issue.

EDIT :: To finish ... (I had to leave work ...carpool)

You can do other things to fix the roll center issue, like change the length of components (Whiteline roll center kit/anti-lift kit or adjustable control arms) and get the benefit of a lower center of gravity and not destroy the handling. Super stiff springs are better if you go low without adjusting the geometry, but only because they limit the travel of the suspension ... the roll center is still off.

[Drill_Sergeant]

RCAs are the answer

[Drill_Sergeant]

here is your handling machine.

http://www.frameleft.com/jamiesToy240_web.jpg

[WRC-LVR]

This isn't actually correct. Lowering too far will have a negative effect no matter the method. You screw up the roll center of the suspension when you go too low and that's the problem. Without changing the actual suspension geometry you cannot solve the issue.

EDIT :: To finish ... (I had to leave work ...carpool)

You can do other things to fix the roll center issue, like change the length of components (Whiteline roll center kit/anti-lift kit or adjustable control arms) and get the benefit of a lower center of gravity and not destroy the handling. Super stiff springs are better if you go low without adjusting the geometry, but only because they limit the travel of the suspension ... the roll center is still off.
Correct !!!!!!

Milburn

[jamsky]

I'm selling my swift spring sports spring after I get a coilover. Performance is good but I dont like the drop. I'm gonna switch with coil in the near future.

[Hikaru]

^drop isn't low enough right? I feel the same way. I may switch to KW 3's soon

[jamsky]

You got swift sport spring too? Yes, drop is not low enough.



^drop isn't low enough right? I feel the same way. I may switch to KW 3's soon

[Hikaru]

Yeah, I have Swifts too. I'm really torn because the Swifts ride great and I don't have any clearance issues.

[em1toevo]

I will be installing them the first chance I get. The espelirs are a little lower drop than the Swifts, but not enough to throw off the suspension geometry.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

This isn't actually correct. Lowering too far will have a negative effect no matter the method. You screw up the roll center of the suspension when you go too low and that's the problem. Without changing the actual suspension geometry you cannot solve the issue.

EDIT :: To finish ... (I had to leave work ...carpool)

You can do other things to fix the roll center issue, like change the length of components (Whiteline roll center kit/anti-lift kit or adjustable control arms) and get the benefit of a lower center of gravity and not destroy the handling. Super stiff springs are better if you go low without adjusting the geometry, but only because they limit the travel of the suspension ... the roll center is still off.

Thanks for clarifying. My point was not that coilovers alone were the answer, but moreso that if you want the car to handle well while being that low then it was not going to happen by just doing springs ;) In my experience when dropping the car 2 inches or so a good set of coilovers are always going to outperform just springs.

[jamsky]

I definitely agree! :)




Thanks for clarifying. My point was not that coilovers alone were the answer, but moreso that if you want the car to handle well while being that low then it was not going to happen by just doing springs ;) In my experience when dropping the car 2 inches or so a good set of coilovers are always going to outperform just springs.

[TouringBubble]

Thanks for clarifying. My point was not that coilovers alone were the answer, but moreso that if you want the car to handle well while being that low then it was not going to happen by just doing springs ;) In my experience when dropping the car 2 inches or so a good set of coilovers are always going to outperform just springs.

You're 100% correct if comparing to a 2" drop with just springs. Mainly, the coils will be better because the dampers will likely be better matched to the increased spring rate with the coilover. Dropping 2" on just a spring will kill the roll center AND the stock struts will not be able to dampen properly.

However, I have to say that a good set of springs with a slightly increased rate and a minor drop (< 1") will perform as well as, if not better than a car lowered 2" on coils. It just won't look quite as good.

I personally run GTWorx spring and Whiteline sways. the GTWorx springs are a little stiffer than stock and slightly lower, and actually a little progressive unlike the stock springs. This makes for a (oddly) softer daily ride. However, in the corners it is insane. When the car leans, you barely feel the progression, then the stiffer rate comes in and the sways tighten and it becomes a completely different car. It's almost completely neutral with slight oversteer if you power it over ... really fun and responsive.

[Hikaru]

Word. I suggest anyone with a drop lower than Swift Springs buys a roll center kit for $150. Then yer good to go.

[Drill_Sergeant]

with the drop i have on my coilovers, the control arms are not even parallel, but close though. there isnt much movement unless its heavy heavy cornering to which it may go slightly past parallel. but im not too worried about it.

stiff spring rates can compensate for thicker sway bars. or thicker sway bars can compensate for soft spring rates.

i have negative camber RCAs on the corolla.

[em1toevo]

Well I figured I'd update this thread. I just installed my Espelir GT springs yesterday. They are awesome! I took a 10 mile trip to test them out, and I can tell a big difference. I have to admit that the drop isn't quite as aggressive as I'd like. I will get some pics today. I just woke up, and I have to take it to be aligned later today.

[ryanowarrior]

bout time lol. glad your pleased with them

[em1toevo]

Thanks Ryan. I am very pleased so far. I guess not being too low is a good thing. You can still tell it's dropped. I'd say it dropped around an inch or so.

Update: Here are the pics. It is definitely better handling than before. I just wish it were a little lower.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs014.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs015.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs016.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs017.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs018.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs019.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/em1toevo/springs013.jpg

[P4g632009]

still looks pretty high for me. haha I have s-teins; 2inch front/0.8 rear; $100 on ebay. Looks look; almost tucking. Will probably get coilovers in the future. WHat's the best coilovers for the Evo? I'm mainly a DailyDriver; few drags a year. :D

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I've always been a fan of KW V3's for the street. I have HKS Hipermax IIIs on my IX MR right now, but they will be coming off next month.

[em1toevo]

Well the espelirs are designed to work with the oem struts. They are a little stiffer than stock. However, I feel that they are a definite improvement over stock. They aren't quite as low as I'd like. Although I think that if they were any lower, it would be detrimental to the performance of the rest of the oem setup. I definitely feel that a set of good coilovers are the only way to go beyond what I have. These springs have been compared to the swifts and gtworx springs. I feel like these three are the best springs you can buy without getting serious with a set of coilovers. Ironically, all three have similar "drops".

[Hikaru]

It's not ironic cuz a 3 are really good springs! Good buy man.