My next step on the evo!!

[lazyevo<3]

Well guys prob. this May the car is goin to dyno prefomance to have the head built to support my 280s. I think im goin with super tech springs and retainers and apr head studs. Im making my appointment in a couple weeks when I catch up on some debt!! Also im getting new injectors and e85 ...My goal is to be at like 460hp. I also am looking to get my beast painted satin black I here there is another guy out there with this color:mad: but iv always wanted to do this to the evo since rob and big on mtv haha.. Ill keep everyone posted!

[Dangeruss]

Good luck on trying to get 460whp on a stock 9.5.......

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Not trying to bust your bubble, but you wont even touch 400whp with your mods on that Dyno. They have a Dynamics just like us. Comparison, we have done a built 2.3 with a 35R that only put 415 on our dyno, also a Dynamics. Also I should point out that stock turbo and HKS 280s even with a built head is probably only going to weild at most 350 on that dyno if you're motor is REALLY strong. Not trying to be a downer, just throwing the facts at you.

[Psych]

Well guys prob. this May the car is goin to dyno prefomance to have the head built to support my 280s. I think im goin with super tech springs and retainers and apr head studs. Im making my appointment in a couple weeks when I catch up on some debt!! Also im getting new injectors and e85 ...My goal is to be at like 460hp. I also am looking to get my beast painted satin black I here there is another guy out there with this color:mad: but iv always wanted to do this to the evo since rob and big on mtv haha.. Ill keep everyone posted!

TWO POINTS

ONE-Thats Sonny's evo and the car is hot. He drives it to a lot of the varsity meets. I think he painted his Rota P45's the same color too. I want to say its a built motor with a 35R

NOW

TWO-Unless you have some unlisted mods you are not going to be anywhere near those numbers. Look skip the head work, keep the cams, get 1000cc inj, and get a FP RED.

[shunderwunder]

I'll have to agree with Ryan. My car put down 349hp on that dyno (360 but had a bit of knock) & they told me it was the most they had seen out of a pump gas stock turbo there. So even with the addition of E85 it wouldn't be near that goal. Don't get me wrong it will still be a bad ass ride, but don't get caught up with HP numbers. I went from 357hp on a dynojet to 349 on a Dyno Dynamics & the car is a he'll of alot faster. Good luck with the build can't wait to see how it turns out.

[shunderwunder]

I think Sonny is running a 37r or atlest he was. Haven't seen the car since it was red.

[Psych]

One more thing, I dont THINK HKS 280's require springs and retainers. If Im right save that money and put it towards other things like FMIC, Full piping, porting the intake&exhaust manifolds, 65mm TB, and etc. Also look at getting more aggressive cam like GSC S2's, Kelfords, FP4r's or BF272's

[Psych]

I think Sonny is running a 37r or atlest he was. Haven't seen the car since it was red.

yeah a remember seeing it at Mike's shop in Oxford about a year ago. I think it was a 30r then

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

One more thing, I dont THINK HKS 280's require springs and retainers. If Im right save that money and put it towards other things like FMIC, Full piping, porting the intake&exhaust manifolds, 65mm TB, and etc. Also look at getting more aggressive cam like GSC S2's, Kelfords, FP4r's or BF272's

What he said. Regardless if they are classified as "280s" the HKS 280s are a fairly mild cam. All that headwork would be a waste without a more aggressive cam. While the head will be opened up to do all the work anyways you may think of an upgrade. Otherwise concentrate on mods you have not done that will give you more of a performance advantage. You're current setup is far from aggressive so you have nothing to worry as long as you take care of the car ;)

[shunderwunder]

I also do not believe you need to do the head work at this time. Since the HKS 280s don't require springs the only real benefit you will see is being able to up your redline more. Since the stock turbo falls off at higher RPMs this will not be beneficial without a Bigger turbo. Take some time to plan it out. Don't rush into it. Just ask questions & get some ideas of what you should plan out. Hope this helps.

[lazyevo<3]

sorry guys i forgot to put that im going to upgrade my turbo that was my mistake!!

[lazyevo<3]

I thought i needed the springs and retainers hmm. well thanks for the info sorry ya i forgot to list bigger turbo!! i kno i cant make power like that on stock!!! I am thinkin about a FP red and diff intercooler and things like that to support it all....

[Psych]

sorry guys i forgot to put that im going to upgrade my turbo that was my mistake!!

What turbo are you going with? Again save the money on the head work until you get a more aggressive cam. Have you or are you planning to upgrade your intercooler and piping? Dont forget larger injectors too.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

=/ You make it very difficult to give you suggestions when you keep changing your mod list, etc. Just FYI you still wont hit 460 with a Red.

[shunderwunder]

I think 460 on a red with E85 can be done on that dyno, but not without one hell of a supporting mods list. If your goal is 460 it aint gonna be cheap. Keep in mind a maxxed out red on E85 will require a doubble pumper & 1200cc or larger injectors.

[Hikaru]

460 on a dynojet is do-able but on that dyno I agree with Andy, it would take a helluva lot of mods and alot of fuel to do that....

[lazyevo<3]

ya i dono im getting e85 within a couple weeks and i herd with that and injerctors and a 9 turbo i can possible be at 400...... i here blackevo or what ever his name was the guy who crashed his was at 400 on e85..... as of now im doing injectors intercooler and pipping... then im gonna start looking for a turbo kit.......... but im still just kinda still looking for some help and ideas on what stuff to get!! sorry if i get people confused hahah

[Psych]

ya i dono im getting e85 within a couple weeks and i herd with that and injerctors and a 9 turbo i can possible be at 400...... i here blackevo or what ever his name was the guy who crashed his was at 400 on e85..... as of now im doing injectors intercooler and pipping... then im gonna start looking for a turbo kit.......... but im still just kinda still looking for some help and ideas on what stuff to get!! sorry if i get people confused hahah

If you have a ix turbo with full bolt-ons, e85, upgraded injectors, piping, and fmic you can make 420 on a dynojet. Again ive seen TTP do 440+ on ix turbos and meth. That set up would have great spool-up and a good broad powerband. Max out the 9 set up and go from there. Get a ported intake manifold, exhaust manifold, and 65mm tb in the place of the headwork.

[mouse]

Just curious, is there any repitable E85 tuners in Georgia or close states? I know its relitively a new concept and availablitly of E85 in Georgia is limited, so how does that effect the local tuners knowledge and ability to properly tune an E85 set-up. I have been interested in E85, so let me know what you find out.

Thanks Craig

[lazyevo<3]

project tunning can tune my car for e85 im pretty sure!! thats who tuned me b4

[Psych]

Again WE are not here to bash you. We just want you to be informed on the best way to get your goals. How about this;

1. List ALL of your current mods
2. State how much you made on the dyno with them and type of dyno.
3. State your goal(s) (YOU ALREADY DID SO 460WHP).
4. List EVERYTHING that you intend to ADD/DELETE/CHANGE to reach your goal.

I promise you that we can have you pointing in the right direction. The great thing about this forum is that there is a great range in power, brands and part selections. C'mon lets show him some Mitsu love.

[scoobysam]

dyno4mance does e85 tunes now? I've been wanting an e85 tune for the longest time now. Havent touched my evo in months now.:(

[mouse]

project tunning can tune my car for e85 im pretty sure!! thats who tuned me b4

Not to doubt your or their tuning abilities, but how many E85 vehicles have they tuned, what is there success rate with E85, and how comfortable are they tuning, I know to get good power with E85 you can do some crazy stuff with timing, and I would hate for someone to pop your engine. Good luck and keep us posted. Thanks Craig

[TripperFx3]

e85 is a bit different obviously and does require large injectors (1000cc or higher), which may be the only challenge is scaling such large injectors, but any competent tuner should be able to tune you on e85. They just have to know the AFR differences between pump gas and e85. Stoich for pump is 14.7 where for e85 I believe its around 17-18, so thats where your main difference comes into play. Also since it burns different than pump gas and your using such large injectors and a double pumper your gas mileage is gonna go down. I believe when I was researching using e85 here in Reno (nearest pump is over an hour away though... :(), most people were reporting around 180-220 a tank.

To Lazyevo... I think if you just want a fun fast street car then stick with something like a IX or FP Green on e85. Both will get you over 400 on a dynojet. Anything larger than a Red may not be as fun for you. I know most people that go really large (35r or so) and don't do a stroker, for the most part and I'm not saying all people just a majority of the ones I've talked to, wish they had stuck with something like a stock turbo set up for the street as it was more fun. Ryans car being a large exception because of that damn 2.3RR lol. Even with the 37R I could drive that thing all day and not be annoyed by the lag lol.

[shunderwunder]

Go with the CBRD BBK full for daily driving. It will give you plenty of power with little to no lag. I think that's what I'll be doing when the time comes. Even though the red doesn't spool too late I still think it would take away from the DD fun.

[TripperFx3]

Thanks for brining that up Shunder. I forgot about that one.

[mouse]

I heard reds were blowing up, but since they are getting replaced for little or nothing from FP no one is really ragging about it? I want a BBK!!

[TouringBubble]

Yes, I've tuned Evo's on E85. Yes, it has been successful. No, nothing has blown up.

I tune fuel based on Lambda, so the difference in AFR is irrelevant. Stoich for E85 is much lower than pump ... in the mid 11's doing some quick math in my head (again, Lambda). You use approx. 30% more fuel when running E85.

The stock turbo can run E85 on 780 injectors ... want a bit of boost go with 850s. FP green/BBK lite you need 1000. Red/GT30 you need at least 1200's and for higher boost you'll likely need the double pumper. GT35 definitely need two pumps and big injectors.

Mario, you do need springs and retainers.

[BlackIX]

i could see him bein at 400whp with a bigger IC, IC pipes, injectors, ix turbo, and e85, with the right tune

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

Just a comparison, on 93 pump we have seen FP Reds only hit 390 on our dyno. Granted, E85 will give you a boost, but even so, 400 is not easy on a dynamics.

[TouringBubble]

If we're talking dyno comparisons, he won't hit 400 on a DD or Mustang (unless he's in FL). On a DJ he can hit 400 though.

But, that said, dyno numbers are useless. I'm much more for setting a trap speed goal for the 1/4 to measure power gains.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

I would agree, but he had said he wanted to hit 460, work is being done at Dyno4mance which is a Dynamics.

[BlackIX]

but once again ur talkin about "dynos" hes talkin about hp. we all know a dynamics is goin to dyno LOWER then just about any other dyno. were not goin by just that dyno, but i could see him right at the 400 range. last time i put my car on the dyno at forged it "said" it only put out like 257, and i know it was faster then that.

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

but once again ur talkin about "dynos" hes talkin about hp. we all know a dynamics is goin to dyno LOWER then just about any other dyno. were not goin by just that dyno, but i could see him right at the 400 range. last time i put my car on the dyno at forged it "said" it only put out like 257, and i know it was faster then that.

As you know HP is a direct result of the dyno. I understand what you're saying and I agree with you on that. My interpretation was since he was going to have Dyno4mance do the work he wanted those numbers on that dyno. If he was having the work done at a shop with a dynojet I wouldn't even be bringing up dynamics readouts ;) Nonetheless, the car should be a blast!

lol I remember that day, we were all scratching our heads. I think it was reading unusually low that day because I remember Dan only making around 220 or so. There is no way your car should have read anywhere near that low, lol.

[BlackIX]

yea that was pretty funny. ok guys well back on to workin on my console. im puttin my boost controller box and my turbo timer flush into my consol. my first attempts at using fiberglass and bondo....

[BlewByYouEvoVIII]

nice! post up pics when you get done.

[shunderwunder]

yea that was pretty funny. ok guys well back on to workin on my console. im puttin my boost controller box and my turbo timer flush into my consol. my first attempts at using fiberglass and bondo....

Lret me know if you need some pointers. I've done a bit of fiberglass work myself.

[BlackIX]

yea i got it done, its alright. what i really needed was a router. that would of made my life soooooo much easier

[shunderwunder]

I gots one if ya wanna borrow it. I've only got one bit though. It's like quarter round.

[Chemwarrior]

I need to learn how to work with fiberglass. I would love building some custom pieces for my car.

[shunderwunder]

Let me know Dan. I'll give you a hand. I did the Box some stereo work in my last 2 cars.
Check it out.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/M28100.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/20.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/shunderwunder/box041.jpg

[Chemwarrior]

thats some damn fine work

[Evolvedgti]

Those are nice! I used to be heavily into systems. How much does something like that weight?

[shunderwunder]

A shit ton. That's why I gots a head unit & stock speakers in the Evo. :D

[Hikaru]

Looks real nice Andy!

[shunderwunder]

Thank you Sir. Make that Sirs.

[BlackIX]

yea that shit turned out sick

[TripperFx3]

Looks great! Amazing install! I had a large system in my 1st car. I really want to do a small one in the evo. Just replace the door speakers and do a 10" sub or something that I can remove.

[shunderwunder]

That box in the back of the BMW is removable but the rest isn't. I'd guess the box with sub is about 100lbs.

[em1toevo]

Great work Andy! I miss having a big stereo sometimes. I've had serious systems in every car I've owned except for the Evo.

[shunderwunder]

I don't miss it too much cause I couldnt hear it over the Evo anyway.;)